All about damage limitation now, any chairman with business and/or football sense would see that and give him the boot, sadly we have Bill Kenwright as chairman.
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Roberto Martinez Discussion - Including Live Poll (Poll Reset 1st May)
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All about damage limitation now, any chairman with business and/or football sense would see that and give him the boot, sadly we have Bill Kenwright as chairman.
mythbuster
Player Valuation: £35m
Lol, so there's not a single positive in all that?
Just an endless stream of you looking at the negatives?
It's almost like you're averse to handing out any credit for the good things....
Oh, and Stones isn't quite the player you portray him as, btw. He's a decent enough player. But let's not pretend he's Lionel Messi... He's a young lad, still trying to make his way in the game, as a centre-half and sorry to say this, but most centre halves are a bit crap at footy really anyway.
4737carlin
Player Valuation: £90m
Not sure about that mate, Cundy has been on about him being a myth all season, been talking about us for 10 minutes now. Its more about Baines and us losing Lukaku really
As for not winning the cup to see him gone as someone just said, not sure i agree with that like
Some idiot on now saying he would rather not win the fa cup if it meant getting rid of Martinez. Blimey, we certainly breed them don't we!
TheHumbleEgg
Player Valuation: £15m
ianefc
Player Valuation: £70m
Crazy talk, wasn't it? Really poor. I'd give anything to win the Cup, I even think he'd have to stay if he won it.
I'm usually just responding to quite varied attempts to dismiss what I've said as nonsense. If it sounds flippant it's because it does become difficult to repeat why you think something again and again. Especially when you find the angle suddenly gets changed to one that's almost the opposite of what someone else has said to attack the manager. It also may sound flippant because other people may be more heated about the situation. Which is fair enough. Although I've learnt not to mistake anger for passion. They aren't always the same thing. That's not a personal comment towards yourself by the way. More just that because I am repeating things calmly doesn't mean I don't care more than some others who seem to be habitually angry.
I've stated where I stand on Martinez and it may just seem totally pro when compared to some arguments that seem to believe everything is down to him.
That's a big warning sign to me about whether a decision on the manager is being made with a clear head.
If you want a discussion on his pros and cons I've engaged with that when asked. But to be clear again. I like the fact that he's lookin for a more progressive style of play. I like the kind of player he's looking to bring in. I like that there's focus on players being bought in to fit in a few years down the line.
I don't think he's gone about how he's introduced players into the first team in a very pragmatic way. I don't think he's worked enough on a plan b or effective setpieces. I don't think he communicates his intentions very well to the fans.
Ultimately I think what is happening in terms of the squad is providing promise that wasn't there under Moyes but I'm not convinced he has a wide enough range of man management skills to make the most of the squad he'll end up with.
So no confusing opinion. Just one that isn't dominant on here for now. Do you really think we need another voice finding fault with everything he does.
As far as Baines goes, I love the lad and if I thought he'd been genuinely put down then I'd be defensive of him. But it's a genuine opinion that if I'd had my words used in a way that could have potentially disrupted my work then it is only the people who did that I'd take issue with.
My feelings are there is little or no rift and all we'll see is the player a lot less likely to talk to the press. And that's their fault. Everything they've done since reeks of defensive guilt.
And if people believed in the player then they should maybe consider whether they are right about who it is exactly whose put him in this situation rather than automatically use him as a way of attacking the manager. As I keep hearing there is enough ammunition already.
Ashtonian
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I tuned in the other day to hear the martinez discussion and in the 50 minutes i had it on in the background, they had taken one call, spent 15 minutes talking about eating breakfasts and then away from the ads and news, took the subject to Van Gaal.
chazzle_dazzle
Player Valuation: £35m
Them calls are utter madness, everyone wants to win the cup. I think the mess that is going on is forcing people a tad over the line though.
I want to win the cup - but i want Martinez to go, that doesn't go hand in hand.
What else where they saying on TS?
4737carlin
Player Valuation: £90m
That does happen I know but this whole show so far has been abut how bad we are, need more of this from the media and Echo...etc
Ashtonian
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just my luck then, im on work when they do actually discuss it haha
ianefc
Player Valuation: £70m
Pretty much what you've just said, people over react but all in all they'd give anything for us to win the cup.
Like I say he can stay if we win it although all the signs are there that next season will be just as bad.
LAToffee
Player Valuation: £20m
This. They are out there.
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