Roberto Martinez Discussion - Including Live Poll (Poll Reset 1st May)

[roydo]

Martinez after the 9-1 loss Wigan Suffered to Spurs

"If you analyse the Tottenham game, at half-time we went in at a good moment but in the second half we conceded eight goals in 40 minutes, which is impossible to explain. It's a freak event."

"To lose 9-1 and then win the next game shows the character of the group and the leadership material within themselves, the winning mentality. I was extremely proud."


Later that season Wigan lost 8-0 to Chelsea

This is him after he became our manager talking about that 9-1 loss to spurs

"Those are the games that divide men from kids," he said. "It gives you a real platform to move on. After that incredible defeat, we won the next game which is something which is difficult to do."

In addition Martinez suggests the magnitude of such a result actually helped his Latics side stay up that year.

"You get more information about those extremes than you do in other situations," he added. "You get the same outcome – no points – if you lose narrowly, but they are less drastic.

"A heavy defeat helped us stay up, 100 per cent. That took us into a different level and the season after it took us to another level as we want to."


So basically losing 9-1 was the game that enabled them to stay up, a week after conceding 8 goals in 40 minutes he praises the leadership qualities throughout the team and the character of the players. For real we actually hired this guy...

I can actually see what he is getting at there. Out of adversity and all that. Character building etc etc.

But. Not here. Not at Everton. Soz Bob. Lovely man, but too stubborn and somewhat deluded that surfaces time after time when we think he has cottoned on.

When he goes, he will still actually be liked by most folk I reckon. Certainly by me. And if he he does manage again, he will be wished well.

 

[Legend Barry Horne]

But that last bit you wrote is a tad brainless and ignorantly puts everybody into a category, something that the poster you are referring to is massively guilty of in most of his posts.

Most on here see it as rude and very egotistical, which is hard to take as most of the football related posts by that poster made no sense at all, particularly when facts were put at him and he ignored or dodged direct questions which destroyed his argument.

Your other point about banging the drum for the manager being the way forward in difficult times is also a huge pile of cak too or at least very subjective IMO.

So Newcastle fans banging the drum for Mclaren were right were they? No of course they weren't and never were any of the posters backing Martinez, the proof is in the league table tonight.

It was the only logic I could see in what he was doing - heroically supporting the cause and trying to keep up the positivity. Whether that's the case or not I have no idea - and my experience of him is relatively limited - he must have spent a lot of his life on here though

In terms of rudeness - I don't mind - but would you say the words you've used in the message above are a bit rude? Supporting a manager through difficult times is a 'huge pile of cak' - well I guess it's knowing when to cross the line from solidarity to open ciriticsim in teh hope it will bring about change - guess that's what this is all about. I lost patience with RM over a year ago - others have taken longer to snap. But regardless, logically can't see how fan negativity on the terraces can help the team win matches

 

[bluestevon]

Oh my, that Wigan Spurs game was at the end of November 2009 and he is still spouting the same nonsense in 2016.
That truly is frightening.

As i was bored mate, just watched about 5 of his post match interviews after various hammerings at Wigan including the 5-0 to United and a few others, and jesus christ every single one he spins into a positive, the united one was a peach apparently losing by 1 or by 5 to nil is the same - no points, but losing by 5 is better if you can take some postives and lessons from the game...

The bloke is a flim flan merchant

 

[Khalekan]

Exactly my feeling. We're on a road to nowhere atm. Dreading the semi final by now.

I can't even think that far ahead.

I am dreading a humiliation at the Pit a couple if days before the semi

 

[MikeH72]

Can the "in" crowd explain this one then?

"Progress"...

@davek I'd be especially interested to hear your thoughts

 

[Khalekan]

I can actually see what he is getting at there. Out of adversity and all that. Character building etc etc.

But. Not here. Not at Everton. Soz Bob. Lovely man, but too stubborn and somewhat deluded that surfaces time after time when we think he has cottoned on.

When he goes, he will still actually be liked by most folk I reckon. Certainly by me. And if he he does manage again, he will be wished well.

Yes......I believe history will be kind to him.

In ten or twenty years time, the lasting image of the Martinez era will be that wonderfully refreshing first season when we thought Bobby would lead us to great things.

I just wish it had worked out for him with us.

 

[ianefc]

After losing 6-0 to chelsea the following season

'I won't be changing the way we play,' he said.

'The way we let things slip had nothing to do with our style of football. It's about concentration and showing character. I have spoken to the chairman (Dave Whelan) but I can't waste time worrying if he will lose patience. I need to worry about the next game.'

 

[hktoffee]

No worries. I just think people aren't as far apart as it sounds and I doubt anyone is supporting the manager and not caring if it damages the club.

Everyone wants the best for the club. No doubt. The difference is whether you trust Martinez is the long term answer. For some, two seasons of pathetic results are long enough. Even a cup win, will that be enough to turn things around in the new season? For others, winning the cup overwhelm the manager's weakness including league form. A trophy in 21 years is a sensational achievement.

 

[bluestevon]

I can actually see what he is getting at there. Out of adversity and all that. Character building etc etc.

But. Not here. Not at Everton. Soz Bob. Lovely man, but too stubborn and somewhat deluded that surfaces time after time when we think he has cottoned on.

When he goes, he will still actually be liked by most folk I reckon. Certainly by me. And if he he does manage again, he will be wished well.

Nah mate it was bs, they got 1 point out the next 5 after that interview including a 5-0 shelling against United then won the one aftyer the 5-0 then another stretch of 7 without a win, so where was the character that the game instilled in them really, they got 36 points that season and honestly should hav ebeen down in most seasons with that total in which case Martinez would have just been another no mark manager no one heard of

 

[Thomasc]

It was the only logic I could see in what he was doing - heroically supporting the cause and trying to keep up the positivity. Whether that's the case or not I have no idea - and my experience of him is relatively limited - he must have spent a lot of his life on here though

In terms of rudeness - I don't mind - but would you say the words you've used in the message above are a bit rude? Supporting a manager through difficult times is a 'huge pile of cak' - well I guess it's knowing when to cross the line from solidarity to open ciriticsim in teh hope it will bring about change - guess that's what this is all about. I lost patience with RM over a year ago - others have taken longer to snap. But regardless, logically can't see how fan negativity on the terraces can help the team win matches

I did say a huge pile of cak or at least very subjective

Nothing we say on here makes any difference mate and we are all open to criticism for the things we write. I think the poster you are referring to though spent half his life on here winding fellow blues up, but each to their own!

Anyway, let's hope somebody fires the gun ASAP as we are in trouble and completely rudderless.

 

[roydo]

Yes......I believe history will be kind to him.

In ten or twenty years time, the lasting image of the Martinez era will be that wonderfully refreshing first season when we thought Bobby would lead us to great things.

I just wish it had worked out for him with us.

Dont think anyone will disagree with that.

 

[bluestevon]

Hopefully we can add a fifth picture with Sacked on it very very soon mate

 

[Aar_the_Toffees]

Here's some optimism for a change:

Have a feeling that Chelsea game was more down to the players and the connection they feel with our great club. They played their hearts out and showed the world how good we actually are. We beat a strong Chelsea side 2-0, and truly deserved it.

What I'm trying to say is that's down to the players wanting to end our long trophy drought, not because of Roberto's tactics. He's as clueless now as he was then. We will win the Cup this year. Why? Because we're the best team left, and when our players give it their all we will beat the two teams in our way.

Now here's some food for thought:

The players know they won't go down, so only give it their all in the cups. Lucky enough we have the most quality of any team left, so our all will be enough to win. What if- a big what if- next season a new manager comes in and actually gets us playing a style so that we don't only have to rely on our players's qualities but get our tactics right too?

 

[bluestevon]

Oh my god, I didn't even know he was managing them at that time...

yeah was his first season

 

[bluestevon]

I feel actual sick.

I feel worse mate, i was actually taken in hook line and sinker that first season, should know better at my age like