Roberto Martinez Discussion - Including Live Poll (Poll Reset 1st May)

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

I was only 10 when Smith got the chop but how bad was the pressure on him? It seemed more like apathy to me at that time, whereas the atmosphere around the club now is just poisonous. The board need to act.

Smith had to go, when he was eventually sacked I think we were a point above relegation, and the fans were baying for his blood, so BK had no choice. The funny thing is, I actually reckon the fume from fans now against Martinez was just as bad as it was for Smith.

 

[toffee matt]

@Fat Stan knew all along, a true GOT Nostradamus

Doesn't take a Nostradamus to realise someone that has never finished above the top 6 isnt suited to top level management.

It's just laughable how easy we all got sucked in after that first season really

 

[dannyboy]

Notice he didn't take responsibility for not having any defenders on the bench, not even Connolly. We finished that game without any Centre Backs on the field and a Left Back playing right back, really good job of game management, how do you expect us to defend with a setup like that

He didn't take responsibility in either transfer window when we've only had three centre halves all season so what makes you think he'd care tonight.

Honestly think starting the season with an ageing centre half, an Argentinian unknown and an inexperienced defender was up there with his worst decisions and there's been plenty to pick from.

 

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

Notice he didn't take responsibility for not having any defenders on the bench, not even Connolly. We finished that game without any Centre Backs on the field and a Left Back playing right back, really good job of game management, how do you expect us to defend with a setup like that

But had a £13.5m striker on the bench who isn't ready to play.

 

[abelard]

i wish it had worked out, but it is not going to work out.

 

[dannyboy]

Smith had to go, when he was eventually sacked we were a point above relegation, and the fans were baying for his blood, so BK had no choice. The funny thing is, I actually reckon the fume from fans now against Martinez was just as bad as it was for Smith.

You're probably right. Football pervades every day life more than it did back then with the 24 hour rolling coverage/twitter. There's so much more pressure and scrutiny now than 15 years ago and Martinez will hopefully pay the price for it.

 

[Phillyo]

Indeed We Blues know when we are [Poor language removed] and dont need patronis

WE dont care what the RS say OK support us against your bitter rivals Manure Koff

I will never support you against anyone. I'd just rather see yous lift the cup than then. I'm not patronising you at all. At goodison you should have kicked our arses earlier in the season. That side a saw today was a shadow of the one on that day but with pretty much the same players. That's down to the manager. don't be bitter I just wanna join in a good footy debate and what yous do with martinez is a good debate

 

[Encoder]

Doesn't take a Nostradamus to realise someone that has never finished above the top 6 isnt suited to top level management.

It's jus laughable how easy we all got sucked in after that first season really

Not laughable, we looked the real deal that season, even Martinez's proactive subs which seem to have evaporated

 

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

You're probably right. Football pervades every day life more than it did back then with the 24 hour rolling coverage/twitter. There's so much more pressure and scrutiny now than 15 years ago and Martinez will hopefully pay the price for it.

The other big difference is that Smith was never backed with money, what he did spend he made from having to sell players, Martinez hasn't had that problem.

 

[Sentinel]

Just want to say a word about supporters who have stood by Martinez, including the obvious one.

I agreed with them in the context of the boards ambition, specifically Bill Kenwright. That ambition has gone south during the last couple of decades and subsequently now we are facing a nadir moment because of the incompetence riven into the club. But that was a different time, expectations were low. That was then, this is now and plucky little Everton, the Peoples club, just isn't going to cut it anymore. But I agreed, that Board and their remit, he wouldn't be sacked and under their stewardship, we'd probably be facing another season of Martinez. More mediocrity and underachievement in other words.

The defence of Martinez was argued passionately and eloquently based on those assumptions. And that's when my opinion began to diverge. Once the premise that we lived within the parameters of wage bill comparisons and expenditure based on our less illustrious peers, had disappeared. The landscape changed.

Regardless of all that, tonight showed. In fact, painfully demonstrated just how far Martinez is out of his league. He was schooled by Klopp tonight. That lot don't have better players. The truth is. They have a far superior manager.

Unfortunately I think, many supporters will be disappointed if they wish to see him fired immediately. I think it's more plausible that he is going to be kept on until at least the semi - final and maybe until the end of the season. But his time is over. And Kenwright's time for that matter too. They're a busted flush.

There's hope though on this darkest of nights, from the ashes we'll be reforged. I sincerely believe that. Actually history has taught me that. And if there's one thing that we as Evertonians have, it's history. I think we are witnessing a turning point. Keep the faith brothers our day will come.

 

[Khalekan]

Far lesser clubs like Newcastle, West Brom, Stoke, west ham, all would of sacked him by now!! The club is taking p1ss out of the fans now its beyond a joke

Yip.

 

[Ashtonian]

Seen a quick glimpse of the first half as Liverpool started strolling and in those 15 seconds it told you all you need to know about the team.

We hit it long, lukaku wins the header and no one is near him to get it, then they ran down the other end and we had 4 defenders in front of the Liverpool player, nit a single one was picking up a Liverpool player.

 

[dannyboy]

The other big difference is that Smith was never backed with money, what he did spend he made from having to sell players, Martinez hasn't had that problem.

The fact Martinez has had so much more freedom with transfers yet performed so much worse than Moyes has killed him as well.

 

[Phillyo]

WTF Big Dunc not allowed in the dressing room? Is that for real.... no way surely ... ? What a shambles.

no seriously. On City Fm they reported that Ferguson warms the players up on the pitch but is not allowed in the dressing room before games, at half time and at full time because the fiery passion does not fit with how Martinez wants to manage!

 

[eddy]

I found it funny that Stones fell ill straight after a poor error costing you the 3rd. That attitude is a reflection of the manager. Remember his only good season was his first when he had a defensive unit drilled by Moyes. As he has stamped his ideas on the team defensively you have become shocking despite having a 50m rated centre back and an England centre back in your ranks. Yes he won the FA cup with Wigan but he also took them down the same season. I know as a red that anyone can have a good cup run but the league is where you're judged and martinez cannot organise a side defensively.

Martinez got found out after season one. To many, the flaws were there, lack of defence, fitness, discipline clear to see
Kenwright and the club always flower up values of our players and few have left to bigger and better things, we should of snatched
Chelsea`s hands off at 50 mil, he wanted to go, his request was an `accident` but how does this `accident` affect things going forward ?
I think we saw that tonight ... Bill took a gamble on Martinez we were all well aware of his record, he was mentioned as going to arsenal, liverpool, and us, we took the gamble but now is the time to cut losses and move on