Roberto Martinez Discussion - Including Live Poll (Poll Reset 1st May)

[TheFinnFan]

I firmly believe change is coming in a big way. It has to.

I will.

 

[TheFinnFan]

I firmly believe change is coming in a big way. It has to.

I will.

 

[Jags..class]

Does anyone believe that older players cause the unrest

Osman
Hibbert
Gibson
Howard
Pienaar
Jags

Plus a pissed off mirrallas and baines

All players who are coming to an end except for baines who will side with the others due to long term relationships. It's can't be good to have all those players leaving in one window and not renewing contracts. You can see why there a bad feeling behind the scenes.

 

[tommye]

11th isn't mid table

 

[Saint Domingo]

from the guardian -

Martínez may leave Everton in better position than he found them

Look at the league table and Everton have regressed on Roberto Martínez’s watch. David Moyes’s long reign ended in sixth place and, while his successor initially took them up to fifth, back-to-back lower-half finishes now beckon for the first time since 2002. And yet, in some respects, the Spaniard’s legacy will be better than his inheritance. Admittedly, his successor will have to tighten up the defence and a reliance on thirty-somethings such as Leighton Baines, Phil Jagielka and Gareth Barry is an issue that requires addressing. Yet many of Moyes’s other ageing stalwarts have either left – in the cases of Sylvain Distin, Nikica Jelavic and Marouane Fellaini – or have been phased out, with Steven Pienaar, Leon Osman and Tim Howard fringe figures now. Martínez has switched the focus to a younger generation. Ross Barkley had started only four top-flight games before his appointment and John Stones none. Now the latter, along with Romelu Lukaku, could bring in more than £100m. Everton’s results have been underwhelming for the last two seasons but Martínez has recruited players whose careers are on the up, in James McCarthy, Muhamed Besic, Gerard Deulofeu and, perhaps, Ramiro Funes Mori. He also has a generation of young defenders, in Matthew Pennington, Brendan Galloway, Tyias Browning, Luke Garbutt and Mason Holgate, some of whom could break through. What he has not done, over the last two years, is to harness the considerable potential of his side. But, assuming he departs this summer, his replacement may find much to his liking at Goodison Park. Richard Jolly

agree with alot of this, the manager we needed at the time..now time to move to the next level and to get results

Jelavic and Fellaini ageing stalwarts? Ok. McCarthy's career on the up? Which top club us he going to? Martinez getting credit for phasing out Tim Howard? Please.

I fail to see how a team regularly featuring Howard Baines Jagielka Barry and Kone has embraced a younger generation. The only two we have fully embraced are Stones and Barkley two of the outstanding talents of their generation.

Whoever comes in has a huge job ahead of them rebuilding this squad because there are gaps in key positions.

 

[Billy Dean]

from the guardian -

Martínez may leave Everton in better position than he found them

Look at the league table and Everton have regressed on Roberto Martínez’s watch. David Moyes’s long reign ended in sixth place and, while his successor initially took them up to fifth, back-to-back lower-half finishes now beckon for the first time since 2002. And yet, in some respects, the Spaniard’s legacy will be better than his inheritance. Admittedly, his successor will have to tighten up the defence and a reliance on thirty-somethings such as Leighton Baines, Phil Jagielka and Gareth Barry is an issue that requires addressing. Yet many of Moyes’s other ageing stalwarts have either left – in the cases of Sylvain Distin, Nikica Jelavic and Marouane Fellaini – or have been phased out, with Steven Pienaar, Leon Osman and Tim Howard fringe figures now. Martínez has switched the focus to a younger generation. Ross Barkley had started only four top-flight games before his appointment and John Stones none. Now the latter, along with Romelu Lukaku, could bring in more than £100m. Everton’s results have been underwhelming for the last two seasons but Martínez has recruited players whose careers are on the up, in James McCarthy, Muhamed Besic, Gerard Deulofeu and, perhaps, Ramiro Funes Mori. He also has a generation of young defenders, in Matthew Pennington, Brendan Galloway, Tyias Browning, Luke Garbutt and Mason Holgate, some of whom could break through. What he has not done, over the last two years, is to harness the considerable potential of his side. But, assuming he departs this summer, his replacement may find much to his liking at Goodison Park. Richard Jolly

agree with alot of this, the manager we needed at the time..now time to move to the next level and to get results

Came on here to paste this too. Agree too. Good bit of perspective.

 

[royalblue66]

Does anyone believe that older players cause the unrest

Osman
Hibbert
Gibson
Howard
Pienaar
Jags
Baines

All players who are coming to an end except for baines who will side with the others due to long term relationships. It's can't be good to have all those players leaving in one window and not renewing contracts. You can see why there a bad feeling behind the scenes.

Well it was Pienaar and Baines that had a run in at the warm weather training stint.

 

[joey_macmo]

Howard
Gibson
Osman
Pienaar
Hibbert

The last of Moyes men are leaving this summer, what will the average age be then?

I don't think it will matter anyway as he wont be here when they do.

In the same article Martinez said the Everton job was tough because he hat to sell our main goal threat...........Victor Anichebe

 

[Bobs]

from the guardian -

Martínez may leave Everton in better position than he found them

Look at the league table and Everton have regressed on Roberto Martínez’s watch. David Moyes’s long reign ended in sixth place and, while his successor initially took them up to fifth, back-to-back lower-half finishes now beckon for the first time since 2002. And yet, in some respects, the Spaniard’s legacy will be better than his inheritance. Admittedly, his successor will have to tighten up the defence and a reliance on thirty-somethings such as Leighton Baines, Phil Jagielka and Gareth Barry is an issue that requires addressing. Yet many of Moyes’s other ageing stalwarts have either left – in the cases of Sylvain Distin, Nikica Jelavic and Marouane Fellaini – or have been phased out, with Steven Pienaar, Leon Osman and Tim Howard fringe figures now. Martínez has switched the focus to a younger generation. Ross Barkley had started only four top-flight games before his appointment and John Stones none. Now the latter, along with Romelu Lukaku, could bring in more than £100m. Everton’s results have been underwhelming for the last two seasons but Martínez has recruited players whose careers are on the up, in James McCarthy, Muhamed Besic, Gerard Deulofeu and, perhaps, Ramiro Funes Mori. He also has a generation of young defenders, in Matthew Pennington, Brendan Galloway, Tyias Browning, Luke Garbutt and Mason Holgate, some of whom could break through. What he has not done, over the last two years, is to harness the considerable potential of his side. But, assuming he departs this summer, his replacement may find much to his liking at Goodison Park. Richard Jolly

agree with alot of this, the manager we needed at the time..now time to move to the next level and to get results

An article that describes Marouane Fellaini as an ageing stalwart is written by someone who doesn´t know anything about football. He´s 28 now ffs. When a guy can´t get basic facts right the rest of his "opinion" is of no interest to me.

 

[toffee matt]

It's all the players fault that Martinez can't organise a defence or make a correct sub isn't it

 

[CahillsCornerFlag]

Bill Kenwright and Farhad Moshiri say "hello".....that just leaves 27....minus me leaves 26.

What makes you believe he's still the right man for the job? What would it take for you to change your opinion on him?​

 

[Billy Dean]

An article that describes Marouane Fellaini as an ageing stalwart is written by someone who doesn´t know anything about football. He´s 28 now ffs. When a guy can´t get basic facts right the rest of his "opinion" is of no interest to me.

Well he is ageing isn't he? Or has he found the secret to eternal youth?

 

[nsno-chris]

from the guardian -

Martínez may leave Everton in better position than he found them

Look at the league table and Everton have regressed on Roberto Martínez’s watch. David Moyes’s long reign ended in sixth place and, while his successor initially took them up to fifth, back-to-back lower-half finishes now beckon for the first time since 2002. And yet, in some respects, the Spaniard’s legacy will be better than his inheritance. Admittedly, his successor will have to tighten up the defence and a reliance on thirty-somethings such as Leighton Baines, Phil Jagielka and Gareth Barry is an issue that requires addressing. Yet many of Moyes’s other ageing stalwarts have either left – in the cases of Sylvain Distin, Nikica Jelavic and Marouane Fellaini – or have been phased out, with Steven Pienaar, Leon Osman and Tim Howard fringe figures now. Martínez has switched the focus to a younger generation. Ross Barkley had started only four top-flight games before his appointment and John Stones none. Now the latter, along with Romelu Lukaku, could bring in more than £100m. Everton’s results have been underwhelming for the last two seasons but Martínez has recruited players whose careers are on the up, in James McCarthy, Muhamed Besic, Gerard Deulofeu and, perhaps, Ramiro Funes Mori. He also has a generation of young defenders, in Matthew Pennington, Brendan Galloway, Tyias Browning, Luke Garbutt and Mason Holgate, some of whom could break through. What he has not done, over the last two years, is to harness the considerable potential of his side. But, assuming he departs this summer, his replacement may find much to his liking at Goodison Park. Richard Jolly

agree with alot of this, the manager we needed at the time..now time to move to the next level and to get results

Basically, he bought some younger talented players but is unable to use them correctly. However, a good manager will because:

A) our football has been absolute of turd for the best part of half of this season and a full season last year
B) he his still unwilling to accept defensive frailties which have plagued him throughout his managerial experience

 

[Stan Lee Park]

from the guardian -

Martínez may leave Everton in better position than he found them

Look at the league table and Everton have regressed on Roberto Martínez’s watch. David Moyes’s long reign ended in sixth place and, while his successor initially took them up to fifth, back-to-back lower-half finishes now beckon for the first time since 2002. And yet, in some respects, the Spaniard’s legacy will be better than his inheritance. Admittedly, his successor will have to tighten up the defence and a reliance on thirty-somethings such as Leighton Baines, Phil Jagielka and Gareth Barry is an issue that requires addressing. Yet many of Moyes’s other ageing stalwarts have either left – in the cases of Sylvain Distin, Nikica Jelavic and Marouane Fellaini – or have been phased out, with Steven Pienaar, Leon Osman and Tim Howard fringe figures now. Martínez has switched the focus to a younger generation. Ross Barkley had started only four top-flight games before his appointment and John Stones none. Now the latter, along with Romelu Lukaku, could bring in more than £100m. Everton’s results have been underwhelming for the last two seasons but Martínez has recruited players whose careers are on the up, in James McCarthy, Muhamed Besic, Gerard Deulofeu and, perhaps, Ramiro Funes Mori. He also has a generation of young defenders, in Matthew Pennington, Brendan Galloway, Tyias Browning, Luke Garbutt and Mason Holgate, some of whom could break through. What he has not done, over the last two years, is to harness the considerable potential of his side. But, assuming he departs this summer, his replacement may find much to his liking at Goodison Park. Richard Jolly

agree with alot of this, the manager we needed at the time..now time to move to the next level and to get results

Don't think any of the players mentioned have careers which have followed an upward trajectory since being signed by Martinez.

 

[tommye]

In the same article Martinez said the Everton jib was tough because he hat to sell out main goal threat...........Victor Anichebe