Roberto Martinez Discussion - Including Live Poll (Poll Reset 1st May)

[Onwards Evertonians]

The echo back on point today with articles about how only results will save Martinez job and Howard saying its the players to blame and not the manager

Results against giants of the game like Leicester, Sunderland and Norwich, are they having a laugh. They're the type of teams you expect to beat normally, Leicester's boss season aside.

 

[ToffeeDan]

Newcastle, Sunderland, Aston Villa (two or even three of these will be gone by the end of the season)... and West Brom (maybe)

So what's this a list of you say? The ever present teams in the Premier League (2013-16) we will have (or, in the case of West Brom, might have) finished above in each of the last three seasons..

 

[Toffee-nerd]

He brought us the best striker we have had in ages and yet you ask if we can trust him to bring in a 20 goal striker. Maybe we should get Moyes to sign us a striker

We used to miss the 20 goal a season striker under moyes, it was the only thing we needed to push us on. Now we've got one and the defensive side of things has gone so far backwards that even a 20 goal a season striker hasn't improved where we were. Whichever way you look at it that's Martinez's tactics, formation, style that's caused that

 

[Blue Cheese]

Sounds very familiar

Can't believe people want Pellegrini, criminally under achieved with a very very expensive squad.

Oh and welcome back @davek see you're still as potty as ever ha

 

[Abertonian]

What was it?

Guess that's why they call it the Blues by Elton, see link for info.

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/spor...ews/everton-fans-make-farhad-moshiri-11268850

 

[Billy Dean]

Unless you intend to cryogenically freeze our entire team then you could describe them all as aging.

exactly, so he's not incorrect.

 

[billytoffee]

I thought he would have had his desk cleared by now. Surely it will happen today.
There is no way Martinez should remain

Bank Holiday mate - wont be able to get a van to move his phenomenal amount of stuff out of finch farm in the character that is should be moved to fully understand that moving moment.

or

Doubt it !

 

[paultheblue]

Results against giants of the game like Leicester, Sunderland and Norwich, are they having a laugh. They're the type of teams you expect to beat normally, Leicester's boss season aside.

All three of the teams we play in the final games need the points will we even have the motivation to get results.

 

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

This is why for me Martinez shouldn't be here next season:

After 3 years in charge you would expect us to be going into next season with a solid foundation, and with the money available should by now just need tweaking here and there,we're not.

We have a way of playing that apart from the odd game here and there is mind numbingly boring to watch, and everyone else can see that tactically it's not working, apart from Martinez who still thinks it's the right way to play, so he's not going to change.

Martinez in his own words is never to blame for a defeat, it's always something/someone else's fault (deluded)

Defensively we are a shambles, but we don't do anything about it in training because supposedly it's a waste of time practicing defending set - pieces etc.

Do we actually do any fitness training? Because our fitness levels are atrocious.

We have players who look like they aren't playing for the manager anymore.

We have a split fanbase.

That should be enough to see him gone.

 

[Geoff Nulty]

from the guardian -

Martínez may leave Everton in better position than he found them

Look at the league table and Everton have regressed on Roberto Martínez’s watch. David Moyes’s long reign ended in sixth place and, while his successor initially took them up to fifth, back-to-back lower-half finishes now beckon for the first time since 2002. And yet, in some respects, the Spaniard’s legacy will be better than his inheritance. Admittedly, his successor will have to tighten up the defence and a reliance on thirty-somethings such as Leighton Baines, Phil Jagielka and Gareth Barry is an issue that requires addressing. Yet many of Moyes’s other ageing stalwarts have either left – in the cases of Sylvain Distin, Nikica Jelavic and Marouane Fellaini – or have been phased out, with Steven Pienaar, Leon Osman and Tim Howard fringe figures now. Martínez has switched the focus to a younger generation. Ross Barkley had started only four top-flight games before his appointment and John Stones none. Now the latter, along with Romelu Lukaku, could bring in more than £100m. Everton’s results have been underwhelming for the last two seasons but Martínez has recruited players whose careers are on the up, in James McCarthy, Muhamed Besic, Gerard Deulofeu and, perhaps, Ramiro Funes Mori. He also has a generation of young defenders, in Matthew Pennington, Brendan Galloway, Tyias Browning, Luke Garbutt and Mason Holgate, some of whom could break through. What he has not done, over the last two years, is to harness the considerable potential of his side. But, assuming he departs this summer, his replacement may find much to his liking at Goodison Park. Richard Jolly

agree with alot of this, the manager we needed at the time..now time to move to the next level and to get results

Seems to be a lot of truth in this. We need three new players minimum, but the new manager would only have to make simple changes. If he got us properly fit for a start, we could well go into the top six even without new additions. Work on positional sense, marking, and heading and we could be top four. A shrewd, ambitious manager would be very keen to come to us. The current playing staff, the arrival of Moshiri with his money and ideas, the fanbase, the history, the potential - it's all there for the right man. I'm sure I remember Graeme Souness saying, before the arrival of Alex Ferguson's success at Old Trafford, that, if they got things right, United would be absolutely huge. We could never attain their levels, but a similar trajectory is more than feasible for us.

 

[Ashtonian]

He brought us the best striker we have had in ages and yet you ask if we can trust him to bring in a 20 goal striker. Maybe we should get Moyes to sign us a striker

To be fair lukaku should not be marked as a success by Martinez mate.

A) how often do players like lukaku get made available? Even martial cost more and is nowhere near his level yet.

B) the club were backed into a corner hence the overpayment. They had to buy him to show a little ambition after finishing 5th. Imagine the fans reaction if he went elsewhere despute being for sale after selling players in years before?

Martinez signing his players were niasse, Barry, besic, mcgeady etc sure. Lukaku was a forced move by the club to finally back a manager.

 

[Onwards Evertonians]

All three of the teams we play in the final games need the points will we even have the motivation to get results.

Yes but as a rule, Leicester's season aside, we should be expecting to beat all three every time, it's not a big job, nor are they enough to save your managerial career.

 

[Onwards Evertonians]

All three of the teams we play in the final games need the points will we even have the motivation to get results.

Yes but as a rule, Leicester's season aside, we should be expecting to beat all three every time.

 

[tim cahill]

Can't believe people want Pellegrini, criminally under achieved with a very very expensive squad.

Oh and welcome back @davek see you're still as potty as ever ha

Their form turned when it was announced that Pellegrino wasn't staying though. He would be a huge upgrade on Martinez.

 

[tommye]

To be fair lukaku should not be marked as a success by Martinez mate.

A) how often do players like lukaku get made available? Even martial cost more and is nowhere near his level yet.

B) the club were backed into a corner hence the overpayment. They had to buy him to show a little ambition after finishing 5th. Imagine the fans reaction if he went elsewhere despute being for sale after selling players in years before?

Martinez signing his players were niasse, Barry, besic, mcgeady etc sure. Lukaku was a forced move by the club to finally back a manager.