Roberto Martinez Discussion - Including Live Poll (Poll Reset 1st May)

[eddy]

I think what he's saying eddy is that stats are made of facts.

This is based on a hypothetical sitiuation. We wouldnt be playing with 10 men so someone else might have picked u a couple of goals.

I take your point. But the stats or facts are that without Lukaku that is were we would be. I accept that others may have bagged a few, but I think this season with our home form, its a concern that we have relied so heavily on one player, much like Rogers did!

 

[Ihaters]

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That is still not a stat. That is a hypothetical assumption.

Without the amount of miss controls he did earlier in the season for example, we may well of kept the ball, knocked it around better and delivered it to Kone or Naismith, who were far more confident as they would be the main strikers, and not understudies to a kid.

No one knows what would of happened, its not a stat, its a guess. The stats are how many we scored with him, how many without, but that doesn't tell us what the stats would be if we didn't have him.

Certain players up front instead of him may of won us games we lost with him in for example.

Stats are things like....

We are 12th
Lukaku scored x amount of goals
Kone scored x amount goals..

from which assumptions can be made, which is what you are calling a stat.

We simply don't know where we would be. Almost certainly much lower than without him though.

 

[Ihaters]

I take your point. But the stats or facts are that without Lukaku that is were we would be. I accept that others may have bagged a few, but I think this season with our home form, its a concern that we have relied so heavily on one player, much like Rogers did!

Still wrong, neither stat nor fact, just a guess.

 

[The Mighty Quint]

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So is that based on taking away Lukaku's goals and then not assuming another player in his place would not score?

 

[davek]

I take your point. But the stats or facts are that without Lukaku that is were we would be. I accept that others may have bagged a few, but I think this season with our home form, its a concern that we have relied so heavily on one player, much like Rogers did!

So Martinez gets the blame for bringing in a goal scoring machine.

You know all reason's jumped out the window when spurious arguments like that are pursued.

 

[sageyefc]

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If buts and maybes though. Other players might've took up some slack

If Howard wasn't in goal for most of the season we would be top 4


We can go on and on all day with hypothetical scenarios

 

[Mickey]

I think Bobby takes the blame for having us 12th in the league. And for chatting bubbles. The latter my biggest gripe.

 

[chazzle_dazzle]

So Martinez gets the blame for bringing in a goal scoring machine.

You know all reason's jumped out the window when spurious arguments like that are pursued.

Who was blaming Martinez in any of that conversation? didn't see it myself.

 

[bluewally]

So Martinez gets the blame for bringing in a goal scoring machine.

You know all reason's jumped out the window when spurious arguments like that are pursued.

It's one of those weird hypothetical arguments that cant be proven either way disguised as a stat

 

[davek]

Who was blaming Martinez in any of that conversation? didn't see it myself.

'Take Lukaku's goals out and we'd be 16th on 30 points'...not exactly a positive like is it?

 

[eddy]

I think its a little clearer if we say Lukaku is the 2nd highest scorer in the prem and we are 12th, its likely that he could be the highest scorer in the prem and we could still be 12th come the end of the season. Hypothetical I know but a damning indictment of the season overall. Unless we win the fa cup!
Dave, dear oh dear dave, please point me to were I said i was blaming Martinez for signing lukaku? I have had this merry go round with you before
It is my opinion that Martinez and his philosophy is simply to `outscore ` the opposition. Lukaku has been a great Martinez signing and is perfect for Martinez style of play, unfortunatly Martinez seems to not realise that other teams will score against you, after you have run a team ragged for 70-75 minutes and they absorb it, and then punish us, a fact, not a stat relating to our home form this season

 

[chazzle_dazzle]

'Take Lukaku's goals out and we'd be 16th on 30 points'...not exactly a positive like is it?

Yeah i get that, but nothing to do with Martinez in that - don't think every argument can be brought back to him.

 

[Toast]

'Take Lukaku's goals out and we'd be 16th on 30 points'...not exactly a positive like is it?

And if Rom wasn't unfit / lazy / poor at pennos *delete at GOT fumers feel appropriate..

Then we would Deffo have been top 4 like..

 

[willo30]

Does the stat take it that we then would be playing with 10 men as we would have no idea what his replacement would have done.

 

[Toast]

We took Linekers 40 goals away and next season we won the league..

Stats.. Me arse.