Roberto Martinez Discussion - Including Live Poll (Poll Reset 1st May)

[BlueToff]

@Mickey

@mkrudden posted the original last night

Roberto Martinez gives staunch defence of his Everton reign

Roberto Martinez is under pressure at EvertonCREDIT: PA

• Chris Bascombe

10 MARCH 2016 • 10:32PM


Everton manager Roberto Martinez has robustly defended his reign amid growing unrest with his side’s underperformance this season, insisting he remains the right man to lead the club into a new era.

Martinez can give the campaign a different complexion by securing a Wembley trip with victory over Chelsea in Saturday’s FA Cup quarter-final.

The game will be notable as the first attended by investor Farhad Moshiri since his 49.9 per cent purchase of the Merseyside club.

Farhad Moshiri will be at Goodison Park on Saturday
There is no suggestion the future of Martinez is on the agenda for the new benefactor, but cup success would go some way to appeasing those who recognise how the manager has built a talented team, but are concerned at the current failure to deliver on its promise.

Martinez feels he deserves more support than criticism.

“It takes a brave journalist to defend the manager after losing in the last 12 minutes (to West Ham) and to say ‘look at the record of building a football club when he’s had to cope,'" said Martinez.

Everton's home record this season has been poor
“It’s one of toughest jobs, winning games, creating something and it’s been smooth – in the first season we got 72 points; in the second we went into Europe, we have been into the semi-final of the League Cup; we’ve been consistently coping with the expectations of doing something good in the cups – that’s difficult.

“If I was a new manager in the Premier League maybe I would be worried. I have been very fortunate because I have been ten years managing and seven of them have been consistently in the Premier League so I can speak from a good position of what pressure is. Whatever you’re fighting for – winning the FA Cup, fighting relegation, trying to get into the top four - I have that experience.

“You’re looking at a squad, the players we have and the signs we have shown this season and this is not a group that has hit the roof, or reached a level of being are quite happy to be seventh and hoping for a good season. We’re trying to be forward thinking and on the front foot, a team that can score and compete against anyone and we have seen signs.

“At home we have not been able to win enough, that’s the truth and we have to face it. But it’s not going to happen overnight, it’s a process. We manage funds very well, we have sold very well, and invested very well. We have not had a £300m investment. We just manage our assets very well and end up with a squad I feel has the potential to get somewhere special.

“Have we got experience within squad? Clearly not, we have young talent that needs trauma and pain but I am excited about the future when I look at the players I work with on a daily basis at Everton.”

Asked if Martinez may have put together a squad that someone else will get more from him, he responded: “Fine. I will be the proudest man on earth. I gave Joe Allen the perfect programme to develop as a youngster and he became a £15m player. As a manager you have to do that, for the good of the club, not for the good of the manager. I wouldn’t be involved in football if didn’t have that mentality. I’m not a short-term manager. I don’t want to get a football club mortgaged or in that situation just to win over the next six months. I enjoy building a club and making decisions. Maybe I am not going to see the benefit but that’s how a manager should think.”

 

[tenaciousj]

Martinez launches defence of Everton reign

An oxymoron if i've ever seen one.

 

[bluewally]

An oxymoron if i've ever seen one.

I'm not sure about the oxy but I agree on the moron

 

[MikeH72]

A moron if i've ever seen one.

Fixed

 

[Mickey]

No you're wrong.

Read the initial interview. The one that @kithnou posted isn't the full version

Mate his words are there, in black and white. You'll have me chasing my tail to drag this out but you're out of luck. Maybe waffle is "Industry" accepted form of communication but us average joes just shake our heads.

@Mickey

@mkrudden posted the original last night

Roberto Martinez gives staunch defence of his Everton reign

Roberto Martinez is under pressure at EvertonCREDIT: PA

• Chris Bascombe

10 MARCH 2016 • 10:32PM


Everton manager Roberto Martinez has robustly defended his reign amid growing unrest with his side’s underperformance this season, insisting he remains the right man to lead the club into a new era.

Martinez can give the campaign a different complexion by securing a Wembley trip with victory over Chelsea in Saturday’s FA Cup quarter-final.

The game will be notable as the first attended by investor Farhad Moshiri since his 49.9 per cent purchase of the Merseyside club.

Farhad Moshiri will be at Goodison Park on Saturday
There is no suggestion the future of Martinez is on the agenda for the new benefactor, but cup success would go some way to appeasing those who recognise how the manager has built a talented team, but are concerned at the current failure to deliver on its promise.

Martinez feels he deserves more support than criticism.

“It takes a brave journalist to defend the manager after losing in the last 12 minutes (to West Ham) and to say ‘look at the record of building a football club when he’s had to cope,'" said Martinez.

Everton's home record this season has been poor
“It’s one of toughest jobs, winning games, creating something and it’s been smooth – in the first season we got 72 points; in the second we went into Europe, we have been into the semi-final of the League Cup; we’ve been consistently coping with the expectations of doing something good in the cups – that’s difficult.

“If I was a new manager in the Premier League maybe I would be worried. I have been very fortunate because I have been ten years managing and seven of them have been consistently in the Premier League so I can speak from a good position of what pressure is. Whatever you’re fighting for – winning the FA Cup, fighting relegation, trying to get into the top four - I have that experience.

“You’re looking at a squad, the players we have and the signs we have shown this season and this is not a group that has hit the roof, or reached a level of being are quite happy to be seventh and hoping for a good season. We’re trying to be forward thinking and on the front foot, a team that can score and compete against anyone and we have seen signs.

“At home we have not been able to win enough, that’s the truth and we have to face it. But it’s not going to happen overnight, it’s a process. We manage funds very well, we have sold very well, and invested very well. We have not had a £300m investment. We just manage our assets very well and end up with a squad I feel has the potential to get somewhere special.

“Have we got experience within squad? Clearly not, we have young talent that needs trauma and pain but I am excited about the future when I look at the players I work with on a daily basis at Everton.”

Asked if Martinez may have put together a squad that someone else will get more from him, he responded: “Fine. I will be the proudest man on earth. I gave Joe Allen the perfect programme to develop as a youngster and he became a £15m player. As a manager you have to do that, for the good of the club, not for the good of the manager. I wouldn’t be involved in football if didn’t have that mentality. I’m not a short-term manager. I don’t want to get a football club mortgaged or in that situation just to win over the next six months. I enjoy building a club and making decisions. Maybe I am not going to see the benefit but that’s how a manager should think.”

Where's all the stuff in Kithnou interview that's not in this.

 

[oldblue]

Having leaders is important but whether they are captain or not isn't. Captain is just an armband. We didn't seem to lack leaders during Moyes' reign.

Pretty sure we did. I'd say a lack of leadership was a pretty constant theme. If there was it was probably from the much maligned Neville

 

[tenaciousj]

I'm not sure about the oxy but I agree on the moron

Fixed

Great minds

 

[oldblue]

Press conference comes across as honest and not defensive at all to me. Think he does deserve credit for the squad being in good shape for the future. Plenty of managers focus primarily on results knowing they can move on without a squad built for years down the line. The balance between this and results needs to be found. Which he has said himself.
New investors will be looking at all of this and be giving Martinez more than enough time.
Don't think they'll be focusing on a substitution that's gone from poorly judged to a huge mistake that defines an era thanks to a level of confirmation bias on here.
It would be good if they got the sense they'd walked into a club where the crowd is fiercely behind it's team rather than one mainly focused on the changes they want. Could be what they feel they've brought into.

 

[Khalekan]

@Mickey

@mkrudden posted the original last night

Roberto Martinez gives staunch defence of his Everton reign

Roberto Martinez is under pressure at EvertonCREDIT: PA

• Chris Bascombe

10 MARCH 2016 • 10:32PM


Everton manager Roberto Martinez has robustly defended his reign amid growing unrest with his side’s underperformance this season, insisting he remains the right man to lead the club into a new era.

Martinez can give the campaign a different complexion by securing a Wembley trip with victory over Chelsea in Saturday’s FA Cup quarter-final.

The game will be notable as the first attended by investor Farhad Moshiri since his 49.9 per cent purchase of the Merseyside club.

Farhad Moshiri will be at Goodison Park on Saturday
There is no suggestion the future of Martinez is on the agenda for the new benefactor, but cup success would go some way to appeasing those who recognise how the manager has built a talented team, but are concerned at the current failure to deliver on its promise.

Martinez feels he deserves more support than criticism.

“It takes a brave journalist to defend the manager after losing in the last 12 minutes (to West Ham) and to say ‘look at the record of building a football club when he’s had to cope,'" said Martinez.

Everton's home record this season has been poor
“It’s one of toughest jobs, winning games, creating something and it’s been smooth – in the first season we got 72 points; in the second we went into Europe, we have been into the semi-final of the League Cup; we’ve been consistently coping with the expectations of doing something good in the cups – that’s difficult.

“If I was a new manager in the Premier League maybe I would be worried. I have been very fortunate because I have been ten years managing and seven of them have been consistently in the Premier League so I can speak from a good position of what pressure is. Whatever you’re fighting for – winning the FA Cup, fighting relegation, trying to get into the top four - I have that experience.

“You’re looking at a squad, the players we have and the signs we have shown this season and this is not a group that has hit the roof, or reached a level of being are quite happy to be seventh and hoping for a good season. We’re trying to be forward thinking and on the front foot, a team that can score and compete against anyone and we have seen signs.

“At home we have not been able to win enough, that’s the truth and we have to face it. But it’s not going to happen overnight, it’s a process. We manage funds very well, we have sold very well, and invested very well. We have not had a £300m investment. We just manage our assets very well and end up with a squad I feel has the potential to get somewhere special.

“Have we got experience within squad? Clearly not, we have young talent that needs trauma and pain but I am excited about the future when I look at the players I work with on a daily basis at Everton.”

Asked if Martinez may have put together a squad that someone else will get more from him, he responded: “Fine. I will be the proudest man on earth. I gave Joe Allen the perfect programme to develop as a youngster and he became a £15m player. As a manager you have to do that, for the good of the club, not for the good of the manager. I wouldn’t be involved in football if didn’t have that mentality. I’m not a short-term manager. I don’t want to get a football club mortgaged or in that situation just to win over the next six months. I enjoy building a club and making decisions. Maybe I am not going to see the benefit but that’s how a manager should think.”

It really feels like we are approaching the end game.

When he is reduced to crowing about making the Welsh Xavi "a £15 million player" the taxi cannot be far away.

What a shame....I really like Roberto and love the attacking side of his game.

But I now think the poor chap needs putting out of his misery.

 

[royalblue66]

It really feels like we are approaching the end game.

When he is reduced to crowing about making the Welsh Xavi "a £15 million player" the taxi cannot be far away.

What a shame....I really like Roberto and love the attacking side of bus game.

But I now think the poor chap needs putting out of his misery.

And us mate.

 

[Lanolin]

“Have we got experience within squad? Clearly not, we have young talent that needs trauma and pain but I am excited about the future when I look at the players I work with on a daily basis at Everton.”

On what planet have we not got experience?

Look at the side that finished the West Ham game - Robles, Coleman, Oviedo, Jagielka, Mori, Barry, McCarthy, Besic, Barkley, Niasse. Two players under 25 (both of whom are regular internationals and have been playing first team football for a good while) and two players who have vast experience of premier league football. The rest are all in the age bracket which is usually thought of as a player's peak, so this idea that we're a team full of untried kids and can't be expected to be consistent or reliable is getting ridiculous. It's bad enough fans claiming it but when the manager starts hiding behind patent untruths it's a worrying time.

 

[Khalekan]

It would be good if they got the sense they'd walked into a club where the crowd is fiercely behind it's team rather than one mainly focused on the changes they want. Could be what they feel they've brought into.

Stop blaming the fans.

This myth was exploded last week.

He ain't up to the job.

Simple as.

 

[TheHumbleEgg]

Press conference comes across as honest and not defensive at all to me. Think he does deserve credit for the squad being in good shape for the future. Plenty of managers focus primarily on results knowing they can move on without a squad built for years down the line. The balance between this and results needs to be found. Which he has said himself.
New investors will be looking at all of this and be giving Martinez more than enough time.
Don't think they'll be focusing on a substitution that's gone from poorly judged to a huge mistake that defines an era thanks to a level of confirmation bias on here.
It would be good if they got the sense they'd walked into a club where the crowd is fiercely behind it's team rather than one mainly focused on the changes they want. Could be what they feel they've brought into.

Mate, respectfully, if era's need defining do have a look at BOB's managerial record across the board. Then, genuinely, tell me how much more time you think he 'deserves'. Sounds snarky, apols, it's not meant that way, but how long d'ya give him?

 

[BlueToff]

Mate his words are there, in black and white. You'll have me chasing my tail to drag this out but you're out of luck. Maybe waffle is "Industry" accepted form of communication but us average joes just shake our heads.


Where's all the stuff in Kithnou interview that's not in this.

the bit I put in bold where he clearly states the results have not been good enough and they (he... the team) need to face it...

 

[BlueToff]

“Have we got experience within squad? Clearly not, we have young talent that needs trauma and pain but I am excited about the future when I look at the players I work with on a daily basis at Everton.”

On what planet have we not got experience?

Look at the side that finished the West Ham game - Robles, Coleman, Oviedo, Jagielka, Mori, Barry, McCarthy, Besic, Barkley, Niasse. Two players under 25 (both of whom are regular internationals and have been playing first team football for a good while) and two players who have vast experience of premier league football. The rest are all in the age bracket which is usually thought of as a player's peak, so this idea that we're a team full of untried kids and can't be expected to be consistent or reliable is getting ridiculous. It's bad enough fans claiming it but when the manager starts hiding behind patent untruths it's a worrying time.

Yeh don't think he explained that well.

I think it could be construed two ways.

One - him saying we don't have experienced players. Well, that's down-right wrong.

Two - or is he saying that as a squad (together) they haven't got a lot of experience.

I'm not sure he's definitely saying either one or the other but I think you could take it either way. Option two would be a good point, I think, but then option one would be nonsense...