Roberto Martinez Discussion - Including Live Poll (Poll Reset 1st May)

Martinez in or out?

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oldblue said:
And now we have fans who think an FA cup semi final is nothing special
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2002-03 Quarter Finalists.
2008-09 Finalists.
2011-12 Semi-Finalists.
2012-13 Quarter Finalists.
2013-14 Quarter Finalists.
2015-16 ?

True it's more significant than a Quarter Finalist but it's hardly a milestone in the clubs recent history.
 
Sentinel said:
2002-03 Quarter Finalists.
2008-09 Finalists.
2011-12 Semi-Finalists.
2012-13 Quarter Finalists.
2013-14 Quarter Finalists.
2015-16 ?

True it's more significant than a Quarter Finalist but it's hardly a milestone in the clubs recent history.
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3rd FA Cup semifinal since we last won the thing 21 years ago...SMH at you sniffing at it.
 

davek said:
...how isn't reaching the latter stages of a cup significant, yet presumably for you securing 5th or 6th in the league is?
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The league is a good barometer of how good you are. Getting to semi finals is not.

Case in point Watford and Crystal Palace. If you are measuring how good we are on cup runs then we are as good as Stoke, Palace and Watford.

I'm confident we can win the FA cup now. But it's not because we are the best team in England at the minute. Better teams than us have been knocked out due to one-off knockout games. Same goes if we got knocked out atbthis first attempt. That wouldn't qualify us as being crap.
davek said:
Wel, you live and learn mate. Who could have thought their freak season would persist?

That said, we should have won that day and would have done if the officials had done their jobs.
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Freak season ay? Interesting choice of words.
 
davek said:
It's interesting the situation with Martinez and Moshiri. I dont think he's in any position to really unseat Martinez in the short term, as BK is obviously still backing RM in a big way. If money is spent in the summer though and results aren't all that by the autumn, he might start flexing his financial muscle round L4.
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Yea, I agree, well, up to a point.

I very much doubt he'd change anything in the Autumn. The earliest he'd start to worry would be Christmas, and even then, I think Roberto's job is, ( barring a really poor first half of the season ) safe for 2016/17.

I'd say May 2017 is the crunch point for Roberto. If progress in the league isn't to Moshiri's satisfaction then Roberto will be out of a job. Cups are great for us fans, but I can't Moshiri effectively buying us in the hope of getting the odd cup, he'll have Champions League in his sights.
 

Woolly Blue said:
Yea, I agree, well, up to a point.

I very much doubt he'd change anything in the Autumn. The earliest he'd start to worry would be Christmas, and even then, I think Roberto's job is, ( barring a really poor first half of the season ) safe for 2016/17.

I'd say May 2017 is the crunch point for Roberto. If progress in the league isn't to Moshiri's satisfaction then Roberto will be out of a job. Cups are great for us fans, but I can't Moshiri effectively buying us in the hope of getting the odd cup, he'll have Champions League in his sights.
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I think this kind of patience would be admirable. Give the current manager who has a good eye for a player and who can point to some progress one more season with good funds to show what he can do. If we are bottom half at Christmas, pull the plug.
 
Woolly Blue said:
Yea, I agree, well, up to a point.

I very much doubt he'd change anything in the Autumn. The earliest he'd start to worry would be Christmas, and even then, I think Roberto's job is, ( barring a really poor first half of the season ) safe for 2016/17.

I'd say May 2017 is the crunch point for Roberto. If progress in the league isn't to Moshiri's satisfaction then Roberto will be out of a job. Cups are great for us fans, but I can't Moshiri effectively buying us in the hope of getting the odd cup, he'll have Champions League in his sights.
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Yes, but dont forget, it's been the classic route of 'backed cliubs' like Chelsea and City (winning a domestic trophy prior to CL presence). I doubt anyone in the 'nu Everton' will be turning their noses up at silverware of any description. But yes, fast forward 12 months and we're not in touching distance of a CL place after major cash is spent in the summer and January, then there'd be no hiding place.
 
LAToffee said:
I think this kind of patience would be admirable. Give the current manager who has a good eye for a player and who can point to some progress one more season with good funds to show what he can do. If we are bottom half at Christmas, pull the plug.
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Since his name came up as the buyer here I've read a bit about him. He's not become a billionaire by chance, he'll have a plan, but he knows that expecting overnight success and CL qualification in year one won't be realistic. But, if he puts money in over the Summer, he'll expect us to be pushing for qualification.

Martinez's major problem may well be his relentless positivity. A "can do" attitude has some benefits but hard-headed businessmen see through b/s very quickly and if he overeggs things in private with Moshiri, it could well come back to bite him.

edit : Just saw @davek's post above. Being in agreement with dave over something isn't something I'm very comfortable with, so I'm logging out now and going for a little lie down

xxx
 

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