Roberto Martinez Discussion - Including Live Poll (Poll Reset 1st May)

[nsno-chris]

Martinez said "any team that does not have forty points by the final third of the season is in a relegation fight". His own words, his own metric. I don't agree with him - but we are now into the final third of the season (by what, 2-3 games).

By Martinez's own standards he has overseen a descent into a relegation scrap two seasons in a row - with a 1 in 2 striker.

Make of that what you will.

This is what I make of his comments; he's a tit who spouts absolute bubbles 99.999999% of the time

 

[orly]

I would seriously love to see the poll reset after we win a game. Guarantee you it would look vastly different.

Not sure the mods can be bothered to reset it once every four games to be honest

 

[DrEFC]

I would seriously love to see the poll reset after we win a game. Guarantee you it would look vastly different.

As long as you can take it after a loss. The mods will tell you it didn't change after the Chelsea win, you and Dave cling to.

 

[orly]

This is what I make of his comments; he's a tit who spouts absolute bubbles 99.999999% of the time

They are his standards mate.

By his own judgement he has overseen two seasons where we have been in the "relegation fight".

 

[ilikecheese]

As long as you can take it after a loss. The mods will tell you it didn't change after the Chelsea win, you and Dave cling to.

Of course it didn't change...folks can't be bothered changing a vote.

 

[Blues Harp]

Imaging spending £40 a week to slate a team.

Bloody Kopites.

sorry but are you calling me an RS? I have been an ST holder for longer than most (auldarse me) and i dont boo the team or individuals while at the game..the frustration at home is there but now it seems like we are all resigned to the inevitable ..where do you sit in the ground? i'm in the supposed "graveyard" ie Upper Bullens. please dont slate your "fellow" Blues like that

 

[Groucho]

Didn't Dennis wise get to a cup final as well?? Martin O'niell delivered the league cup, Bobby gould the F.A. Cup.

I'm not saying we should discount the FA Cup, it's a trophy and I'd kill for it - but is it the mark of a top boss? Tim Sherwood got to the final as I said.

It may be the mark of a good manager, but if we're using it as mitigating circumstances for Roberto, I'm not sure I agree with that aspect. It's certainly the mark of a good cup manager, but an all round manager? Not so sure.

Basically I'm all for the cup, but not at the expense of the league - that's another thread I'm sure.

 

[nsno-chris]

They are his standards mate.

By his own judgement he has overseen two seasons where we have been in the "relegation fight".

As good as when we got hammered 3-1 by hull and he had the nerve to tell us that as a team "we are almost there".

 

[nsno-chris]

I'm not saying we should discount the FA Cup, it's a trophy and I'd kill for it - but is it the mark of a top boss? Tim Sherwood got to the final as I said.

It may be the mark of a good manager, but if we're using it as mitigating circumstances for Roberto, I'm not sure I agree with that aspect. It's certainly the mark of a good cup manager, but an all round manager? Not so sure.

Basically I'm all for the cup, but not at the expense of the league - that's another thread I'm sure.

I'd give my right arm, well maybe my left, for the cup and I don't care who leads us there or how we go about winning it. But like you said it's not a marker for a top manager, it's a look of the draw and a one game ticket.

Not a barometer for a successful manager

 

[ilikecheese]

I'm not saying we should discount the FA Cup, it's a trophy and I'd kill for it - but is it the mark of a top boss? Tim Sherwood got to the final as I said.

It may be the mark of a good manager, but if we're using it as mitigating circumstances for Roberto, I'm not sure I agree with that aspect. It's certainly the mark of a good cup manager, but an all round manager? Not so sure.

Basically I'm all for the cup, but not at the expense of the league - that's another thread I'm sure.

Even Moyes made a final ffs.

 

[JAYTALITY]

This.

I can tell you totalitarian government loves to use this phase. 50% people came out to vote so the government said the other 50% who can't be arsed to vote are supporters of the government as they are "silent majority".

Talk against Martinez is futile. Kim Un Bill has spoken.

 

[COYBL25]

Talk against Martinez is futile. Kim Un Bill has spoken.

That will make his night !

 

[Blues Harp]

I admire what their manager has done. I dont like their way of playing. It's 99% perspiration and 1% inspiration.

I still dont know how they've gotten away with it. Hopefully Spurs catch them. They're an embarrassment for English football. I;m not being a snob about it, but they are a terrible team to watch. The only thing people see in them is the actual spectacle of these players picking up points off teams by hook or by crook.

It aint pretty. You know it and I know it.

The table does not lie ........rather be in their place than ours...Sour grapes from a sour and bitter Moyes hater soz mods ..

 

[Blues Harp]

Not sure what your point is now? You don't like some Everton fans? Neither do I but that is completely different from the whole crowd harbouring doubts about the manager. He has brought that on himself. It didn't affect the team v Chelsea or City because they actually showed up. The fans weren't a problem when we were 2 up v West Ham, that was a great atmosphere. Then the team threw it away.

We've never been a happy clapping bunch. We're not Palace or Stoke, which with the greatest respect to their great fans I find a bit of a senseless atmosphere but that fits the tradition and culture of their team and fan base. In some ways Liverpool are a bit like that as well, emotional, unrealistic, blindly optimistic at times. Evertonians have always been more reserved, more critical (in an analytical way), slower to dole out praise for no reason. Like the song goes we know our history and we know our football. This is the same crowd that threw cushions. They've seen some of the best of all time so won't go overboard for average dross. We've also shown though that we'll back managers and players far longer than we should if they and show even an ounce of effort to get things going in the right direction. Limited players who would be hounded out in other clubs made incredible careers here because we created the environment for them to play and they went above and beyond for Everton. A two way street that they never forgot and still talk about now.

This team is all take take take. Never one word of contrition or self acceptance from the manager, a keeper and 20 year old centreback mouthing off to the fans. To top it off the worst Goodison league campaign of all time from a group of players more talented than any in our prem history. What message does that send to the crowd?

This team doesn't deserve anyone turning up to watch it it is so poor, lazy, and embarassing. The fact we still sell out home and away tells you everything you need to know about our 'rubbish' fans.

Absolutely Spot on - nailed it ! !

 

[maccavennie]

Absolutely Spot on - nailed it ! !

It's really is a spot on post that by @Saint Domingo didn't see that before but just read it then.