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Roberto Martinez Discussion - Including Live Poll (Poll Reset 1st May)

Martinez in or out?

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bluestevon said:
I don't give him any credit, you don't give him any blame mate, i however do give him credit for the first season, but i also am not so blind to not relaise that he did benefit from the previous manager, did he take it on a level ofc he did, but after the defensive rigidty he inheritted faded we can evaluate him more clearly - this is now a Martinez team in all its 'glory'
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After the Moyes magic beans ran out? Dear me. We played in a vastly different way which actually would have made it more difficult to keep cohesion from previous seasons, but we managed ok...more than ok. NOTHING to do whatsoever with what Moyes left...if it was then that group of defenders are largely still here and playing and we'd have no problems, would we?

bluestevon said:
give him the neght of his contract unless we are in imminent danger of relegation - jesus mate this is a results business, so we should be the only club in football that doesn't expect it's manager to perform at a sufficient level and should just nod like a dog in the back seat no matter what, this is showing you up as somene with bad double standards - what you are advocating is exactly what you slated the board for over many years - for acceptance of mediocrity and just being happy with the statis quo
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Why do you think contracts at clubs are given mate? Do you think they sign them off with the proviso that every season has to be bettr or as good as the one he delivered first up? They are signed because there's an understanding that something being worked on requires time.

Where did some Evertonians get this Geordie managers revolving door attitude from? He;s been here less than three seasons, delivered a blistering first season points total, almost got us to Wembley earlier this season and has another chance to do so next month...but there's people calling for the contract to be torn up and his arse kicked down the road.

It's utterly mad and hilarious...and it's not happening, btw...and quite rightly so.

bluestevon said:
The Everton manager accepts supporters’ frustration is understandable after eight matches without a win and, having previously insisted the club’s ambitions should remain to qualify for Europe, concedes the team is immersed in a fight for survival.
“I’ve been long enough in this league to understand how difficult it is to get to 40 points. In the same way, I know what we are capable of doing. Last season showed our standard and that is what we are fighting for. We know what level we can reach.

Thats from january last year

Everton manager Roberto Martinez has accepted that the club are in a relegation battle. Martinez's side are six points above the relegation zone after winning one of their last 12 Premier League games. Everton have 28 points from 28 games, their lowest total at this stage of a season in the Premier League era. "Any team that hasn't got 40 points in the final third of the season is in a relegation fight," Martinez told the Sunday Telegraph. "The big advantage I have is that I've been through that every season." Martinez won successive relegation battles as manager with Wigan Athletic in 2010, 2011 and 2012 before they went down in 2013, days after winning the FA Cup. "Yes, yes, but I've been down with 36 points and it's very tough to get 36 points in this league," Martinez said. "It was very painful because it was on the back of winning the FA Cup. The FA Cup final got in the middle of achieving that and we paid the price."

thats from march the same year

So apparently Martinez was one of the panickers as he admitted twice that we where in a relation battle mate - and in March we mst certainly where
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..and that addresses what I said about panickers 'thinking we would be relegated' does it?

Not remotely the same thing.
bluestevon said:
Moyes also sold Lescott mate, but you omitted that one of
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Ok, Lescott too. But the bulk of the squad was kept together and notably Pienaar, Mirallas, Jelavic and Heitinga were added to them.

bluestevon said:
As for the entertainers - yeah lots of neutral fans who see us once in a blue moon or highlights on match of the day now and again may think we are brilliant to watch - the fans who go the game though are fed up of the way we play, no tempo - no bite, but hey we get compliments from Michael Owen and some fat muppet journo for the mail so we must be boss, ofc ingore all the negative comments about the style we play and how it is tactically naive etc, because that doesn't suit what you want to here
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Bit more widespread than that. But what puzzles me is that you seem intent in robbing your own team of any credit for playing well just because you want a manager gone.
 

Groucho said:
Thing is though Dave, I know you point to his cup runs as a plus point, but Tim Sherwood even got Villa to the final. Does that make him a great manager or them a good team? I'm not so sure. I know the cup isn't the be all and end all, but we're hardly setting the world alight.
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No, but then again he'd done nothing before that to prove himself in this league (unlike Martinez), and on the strength of the cup run he was allowed time to set his stall out the next season.

I cant understand the snobbery of some towards the cups. Well, I can actually: and it's not really snobbery - it's that if it offers Martinez a chance to pipe down his critics via another route then it must be devalued at every turn. THAT's what's behind it.

I mean, who doesn't want to win the cup? Us? The club without a balloon for 21 years? And we're trying to devalue that?!

Unreal, not t mention arrogant. The FA Cup - we haven't been good enough to win that for a generation. That's the truth of the matter. And now we stand a couple of games from doing it. Well I for one am greatly arsed about securing it and would see it as a massive achievement and a monkey off our backs....but that cant be allowed because it'd give the manager fresh impetus.

Talk about depressingly pathetic behaviour.
 
davek said:
...which will become a meaningless footnote if this team gets to Wembley for a final and/or lift a trophy.
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Only as meaningless as our prem points record. You either put stock in these things or not. You obviously give enormous importance to these sort of things as you've mentioned 72 points so many times. The worst home record in our whole history though? Not important to you?
 

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