Football is a sport, right? The idea of a sport is to win, correct?
I wouldn't give a flying monkeys arse if i turned up every week and we had 1 shot on target that resulted in a 1-0 win that took us to the title.
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Roberto Martinez Discussion - Including Live Poll (Poll Reset 1st May)
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Football is a sport, right? The idea of a sport is to win, correct?
I wouldn't give a flying monkeys arse if i turned up every week and we had 1 shot on target that resulted in a 1-0 win that took us to the title.
Fair enough. I don't agree but fair enough. But it does beg the question why you made a statement deriding the quality of the football.
It would be very short sighted for any business not to discuss these types of things on a regular basis. A bloke I knew a while back that knew a board member at Utd told me that even SAF had 8-10 game targets that had to be met and if they weren't met his future could be be discussed. I said surely he would have gone early on then but his reply was there is too much money in the game now for any club to take a chance on anything, back then it didn't matter as much. It will be getting weighed up either way.
Eric Djemba-Djemba
Player Valuation: £60m
We haven't played great football for ages.
Because we aren't winning; if all those games were we have played torrid, boring, side to side tika taka had resulted in wins i'd be happy. What I cannot accept is a manager who is unable to solve the issues we have, issues that have been going on (in fact slowly getting owrse) for 18 months.
We have no fight and no heart, its horrible to watch. Goodison is a free for all nowadays, and apart from the odd game this season we have been awful at home
Kaiser Soysauce
Player Valuation: £10m
Of course the players needed to be there! What kind of comment is that?! My point was RM's decisions throw games just as much as players not being 'on the ball'. We need a proper manager that will take us somewhere. He's not the messiah! I swear, any manager who comes in and says "the peoples club" or brings a positive spin to every interview isn't necessarily the answer to our problems. They're just good salesmen!!
Saint Domingo
Player Valuation: £90m
Would like to know where the notion of 'great football' under Martinez has come from. 1st season was ok, we played 2 defensive mids but the full backs overlapped well. The pace of passing was quite slow but the results were good so it was alright to view.
2nd season was quite possibly some of the worst football I've ever seen. Absolute dirges of games with two sometimes three defensive midfielders, two strikers playing on the wing, mindless ineffective passing that wasn't going anywhere, at times we went through games with less than 2 shots on target. Incredibly boring and turgid to watch with even some wins being booed.
This season we have played well on the counter attack away from home, whilst this can be exciting to watch Barkley and Rom tear at an opposition it's hardly champagne football. There's not much clever interplay anywhere which has been shown up at home where we've failed to break resolute defences down. To add to this anyone who enjoys elegant defending has been sorely shortchanged this season with arguably some of the worst defensive performances in our prem history.
Across all three seasons there's been no pressing off the ball, no organisation at set pieces, and no creative central midfield players brought in. There's also been an unerring number of long balls hoofed to Lukaku which is apparently alright because he's not doing anything with them unlike Fellaini who could actually utilise them (rudimentary as that was). In other words as long as the media doesn't pick up that you play long balls it's actually alright to hoof a mother load of them every game.
Can someone please explain where all this so called 'good football' is? No idea in defence and one very direct route of attack by hitting Lukaku early either with a quick break or a long ball.
At times under Moyes we got called Arsenal lite. People recognised that Arteta Pienaar Osman and Baines were capable of some devestating togger. Nothing we have done under Martinez remotely represents anything Arsenal do never mind Barcelona. There's barely one of our players (perhaps Deulofeu occasionally) who is renowned for their flair and we have produced nothing close to the intricate play we rolled out consistently between 07-10 under Moyes.
Beautiful football is another Martinez myth. It happens in the odd game now or then but mostly it's just an incoherent mess with a 30 mill striker at the top of it. All that's happened is that the number of backwards and sideways passes before someone hoofs it had increased.
2nd season was quite possibly some of the worst football I've ever seen. Absolute dirges of games with two sometimes three defensive midfielders, two strikers playing on the wing, mindless ineffective passing that wasn't going anywhere, at times we went through games with less than 2 shots on target. Incredibly boring and turgid to watch with even some wins being booed.
This season we have played well on the counter attack away from home, whilst this can be exciting to watch Barkley and Rom tear at an opposition it's hardly champagne football. There's not much clever interplay anywhere which has been shown up at home where we've failed to break resolute defences down. To add to this anyone who enjoys elegant defending has been sorely shortchanged this season with arguably some of the worst defensive performances in our prem history.
Across all three seasons there's been no pressing off the ball, no organisation at set pieces, and no creative central midfield players brought in. There's also been an unerring number of long balls hoofed to Lukaku which is apparently alright because he's not doing anything with them unlike Fellaini who could actually utilise them (rudimentary as that was). In other words as long as the media doesn't pick up that you play long balls it's actually alright to hoof a mother load of them every game.
Can someone please explain where all this so called 'good football' is? No idea in defence and one very direct route of attack by hitting Lukaku early either with a quick break or a long ball.
At times under Moyes we got called Arsenal lite. People recognised that Arteta Pienaar Osman and Baines were capable of some devestating togger. Nothing we have done under Martinez remotely represents anything Arsenal do never mind Barcelona. There's barely one of our players (perhaps Deulofeu occasionally) who is renowned for their flair and we have produced nothing close to the intricate play we rolled out consistently between 07-10 under Moyes.
Beautiful football is another Martinez myth. It happens in the odd game now or then but mostly it's just an incoherent mess with a 30 mill striker at the top of it. All that's happened is that the number of backwards and sideways passes before someone hoofs it had increased.
Almost 2 years at this point. It was April 6th, 2014 that we beat Arsenal in THAT match. Started going downhill soon after.
toffee matt
Player Valuation: £60m
Started going hill the next home game against palace
CrustySack
Player Valuation: £0.99p
Absolutely spot on.
Pienaar's gloves
Player Valuation: £35m
Towards the end of last season I tried to be balanced, pointed out that back then he had one boss season and one poor season under his belt.
I said I would judge him after this season. Given that it's almost an impossibility that he's going to get us far enough up the table for me to think this season was acceptable, I think it's Bobby out time.
Good showing in the cups this season has been nice but even if we win the FA, it's still miles from good enough.
I said I would judge him after this season. Given that it's almost an impossibility that he's going to get us far enough up the table for me to think this season was acceptable, I think it's Bobby out time.
Good showing in the cups this season has been nice but even if we win the FA, it's still miles from good enough.
Ashtonian
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But im sure wigan fans would have preferred a tony pulis style team and not have to fight for relegation every year rather than fancy football that could win one week and be thrashed the next.
Kaiser Soysauce
Player Valuation: £10m
Tightening up after the season has been thrown is reactive. We need a manager who is proactive, who can see what the problems are and immediately deal with them thus giving us half a chance.
If we are content with mid table mediocrity then RM is the man to fulfil our dreams.....
witchdoc187
Player Valuation: £60m
I for one will be celebrating wildly if we lose the semi final.
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