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Roberto Martinez Discussion - Including Live Poll (Poll Reset 1st May)

Martinez in or out?

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  • Getting splinters eating cheese on toast on the fence

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toffee matt said:
People getting way too hung up on points...

United won the league with 80 points in 2011

They came second with 89 in 2012

Positions mean everything at the end of the day in football, comparing points on a season to season basis alone isn't particularly accurate
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It is actually pointless. (sic). In my opinion.

I dont like watching Everton now. I dont like that tons of Wigan fans predicted exactly what would happen. And winning an FA cup, while being ace, does not mask that.

But, the bloke has served up some ace footie. And as Davek has mentioned a few times, he is being judged against a higher bar than others. Why, is irrelevant in the scheme of things.

Give him a realistic 10 match target, put out a few feelers, and see what he does under real scrutiny.

His 1st season, plus this, so far, undelivered cup runs, give him that margin. Just.
 
toffee matt said:
People getting way too hung up on points...

United won the league with 80 points in 2011

They came second with 89 in 2012

Positions mean everything at the end of the day in football, comparing points on a season to season basis alone isn't particularly accurate
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You can't control other teams though.

If you put up 90 points, it's a great season. If Chelsea put up 100, you're still second.

Points are the only thing you control, and thus should actually be what you're judged on (which is still, currently, not good enough). It cuts both ways. If we somehow fluke a good positional finish because everyone around us collapses, it shouldn't magically make the season successful.
 


I think it's hard to argue with Terry McAllisters points in the Echo's fans opinion article.

As annoying as Mino Raiola is piping up during every international break, can anyone really argue with his logic?

The reality of football is that if you have a player of a certain level, you need to be competing at that level to keep them happy. Romelu Lukaku is a proven 20+ goal a season striker and is improving all of the time.

The question for the club this summer is not can they keep him, but how much can they make the buying club pay? Everton have had every chance to fulfill Lukaku's ambitions since signing him and we haven't even come close.

This season Leicester City could run away with the league title and it so easily could have been us. Do they have better players than Everton? No.

Are they a better team? Absolutely.

The blame rests entirely with the manager who hasn't learned from his mistakes or made the most of this stellar squad of players.
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ilikecheese said:
Still doesn't excuse Moyes for pretty much doing F all in 11 years, except make you comfortable with an average of 8th in the table, no pots, and a grand total of 4 European qualifications. Stellar.
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My god. Do you remember where we were before he took over? Imagine offering the above scenario you've just mentioned, in 1998. We'd have been doing cartwheels in the street naked. So much for "doing F all"
 

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