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Roberto Martinez Discussion - Including Live Poll (Poll Reset 1st May)

Martinez in or out?

  • In

  • Out

  • Getting splinters eating cheese on toast on the fence

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Caolam said:
I know a thing or two about marathon running having done a few. Best time was 2hrs 52 mins. In the marathons I ran, I was very careful to judge how I was going all the way through. Generally the pace you have st is the pace you finish at.
If a runner is doing 6.5 minute miles for twenty miles it is unrealistic to suppose he will suddenly development into a sub five minute miler.
Everton under Martinez, indeed any team under Martinez, win around 30% of the games they play. What do you see on the horizon that makes you believe we will suddenly start winning more than that.
I would really love someone to convince me that Martinez is the answer and everything's going to be fine. I wanted Martinez as manager, I thought he was a breath of fresh air, I believed he would make us an attractive successful side. I still want to believe that. I don't like this cynicism, I want to be positive but I am pragmatic, we rallied in the final games last year to finish top of the bottom half and this year we are below that. Last year we won 12 games out of 38, this year we are behind that win ratio. That is what I see.
I balance that against two cup runs, but I look at the team's we have beaten and outside Chelsea they are teams I would expect us to beat. I look at the number of goals we have scored and I am pleased, I am concerned that the person scoring those goals wants success and looks like he wants,away.
In my mind the negatives, the number of games we don't win and our league position outweighs the positives.
But as I said, I am open to be convinced that things will improve, unfortunately I need something to base that belief on.
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I'm not convinced our form will pick up in the last few games of the season either but the league is pretty tight so we could easily end up in a position that people would say is acceptable or end up even lower than we are atm. Down to RM getting his tactics right and managing games better. He defo needs to do significantly better next season, assuming he's kept on.

I just wish he would,

  • Admit when we play badly in games. Not slag players off or destroy their confidence just highlight where we're not good enough and need to improve so both the players and the fans know that he is aware of the issues and is going to address them.

  • Manage games better. When we go in front we shouldn't try closing up shop but he should be using his subs better to control the flow of the game and telling the fullbacks not to support attacks as often as they do when we're looking to go in front.

I get why loads of people want him out. I'm on the fence but I think I'd like to see him get next season to prove wether he can step his game up. He'll have significant funds to address any problems with the team and I think he'll buy good players over the summer. It'll just be a case of wether he can make them a good team.

If he gets sacked next season I don't think we'll have lost anything as I think he'll buy well over the summer and we'll just get another manager in who can get the team to realise it's full potential.
 
whiteshadow said:
So you should judge a marathon runners race performance by the position they're in after 20 miles and not judge where they finish in the race?

Fair enough that people have no or little faith in RM, not sure I do myself atm but that statement is just ridiculous in itself.
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TBF in a marathon, if you're nowhere near the leading pack with 6 miles to go.. You're a bit screwed.
 

DrEFC said:
TBF in a marathon, if you're nowhere near the leading pack with 6 miles to go.. You're a bit screwed.
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If you ran three marathons in three years and finished 5th the first, 11th the second, and 12th the third, you may start questioning
your ability. Martinez is a `busted flush`his departure is pretty much inevitable in my opinion. Probably be the end of the season mutually agreed decision as sounds better than sacked.
 
So, (it's a tad negative so apologies)

Imagine this

we lose to ManU away
We lose to Watford away
We lose to Palace away
We lose to Southampton at home
We lose the game against them
We lose the semi

Through the same frailties.

That's a lot of stick or twist points all in the same month.

Say 12th becomes 15th.
Stick for another season or twist?

For me, he's got to get at least 6 points from the league and through the semi final to get that pass. He gets to keep his job if he wins the Cup, otherwise after any of those matches, he could get the chop - Any heavy / West Ham like losses or losing the semi final and I think the clamor for his little head will become deafening
And that's his issue - he is living on borrowed time now, one catastrophe away from his P45

Equally, we are capable of winning the lot, depending on which Everton turn up
 
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eddy said:
If you ran three marathons in three years and finished 5th the first, 11th the second, and 12th the third, you may start questioning
your ability. Martinez is a `busted flush`his departure is pretty much inevitable in my opinion. Probably be the end of the season mutually agreed decision as sounds better than sacked.
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I have to say that I agree fully with this. I think the decision has already been made. Everton and Martinez will part company by mutual agreement at the end of the season. I really can't see Moshiri trusting Martinez to spend his money on improving the team.
 
It's not rocket science with Martinez - he's made some great signings and great attacking play but he's not addressing the 'goals conceded' line. Question is how long do you give him to sort that out - I'd give him until the end of the season - 9 more league games - if no step change I'd bring someone else in, regardless of any cup win. To challenge for top 4 you need to defend well, obviously. It's perplexing why he doesn't address it

He did the same thing at Wigan. In 2008/09 they conceded 45 goals. The following season, his first, they conceded an incredible 79 and continued to leak goals throughout his time there. He also had a negative impact on their league position over those years, despite cup success

Everton:

F A GD Position

Moyes years:

2007 52 36 16 6
2008 55 33 22 5
2009 55 37 18 5
2010 60 49 11 8
2011 51 45 6 7
2012 50 40 10 7
2013 55 40 15 6

Martinez years:

2014 61 39 22 5
2015 48 50 -2 11
2016* 67 54 13 12

*2016 at current run rate

Wigan:
F A GD Position

Pre-Martinez:

2006 45 52 -7 10
2007 37 59 -22 17
2008 34 51 -17 14
2009 34 45 -11 11

Martinez years:

2010 37 79 -42 16
2011 40 61 -21 16
2012 42 62 -20 15
2013 47 73 -26 18

Post Martinez:

2014 61 48 13 5
 

Legend Barry Horne said:
It's not rocket science with Martinez - he's made some great signings and great attacking play but he's not addressing the 'goals conceded' line. Question is how long do you give him to sort that out - I'd give him until the end of the season - 9 more league games - if no step change I'd bring someone else in, regardless of any cup win. To challenge for top 4 you need to defend well, obviously. It's perplexing why he doesn't address it

He did the same thing at Wigan. In 2008/09 they conceded 45 goals. The following season, his first, they conceded an incredible 79 and continued to leak goals throughout his time there. He also had a negative impact on their league position over those years, despite cup success

Everton:

F A GD Position

Moyes years:

2007 52 36 16 6
2008 55 33 22 5
2009 55 37 18 5
2010 60 49 11 8
2011 51 45 6 7
2012 50 40 10 7
2013 55 40 15 6

Martinez years:

2014 61 39 22 5
2015 48 50 -2 11
2016* 67 54 13 12

*2016 at current run rate

Wigan:
F A GD Position

Pre-Martinez:

2006 45 52 -7 10
2007 37 59 -22 17
2008 34 51 -17 14
2009 34 45 -11 11

Martinez years:

2010 37 79 -42 16
2011 40 61 -21 16
2012 42 62 -20 15
2013 47 73 -26 18

Post Martinez:

2014 61 48 13 5
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Where are Moyes' first four seasons?

Why even include 2014 Wigan? Different competition.
 
Legend Barry Horne said:
It's not rocket science with Martinez - he's made some great signings and great attacking play but he's not addressing the 'goals conceded' line. Question is how long do you give him to sort that out - I'd give him until the end of the season - 9 more league games - if no step change I'd bring someone else in, regardless of any cup win. To challenge for top 4 you need to defend well, obviously. It's perplexing why he doesn't address it

He did the same thing at Wigan. In 2008/09 they conceded 45 goals. The following season, his first, they conceded an incredible 79 and continued to leak goals throughout his time there. He also had a negative impact on their league position over those years, despite cup success

Everton:

F A GD Position

Moyes years:

2007 52 36 16 6
2008 55 33 22 5
2009 55 37 18 5
2010 60 49 11 8
2011 51 45 6 7
2012 50 40 10 7
2013 55 40 15 6

Martinez years:

2014 61 39 22 5
2015 48 50 -2 11
2016* 67 54 13 12

*2016 at current run rate

Wigan:
F A GD Position

Pre-Martinez:

2006 45 52 -7 10
2007 37 59 -22 17
2008 34 51 -17 14
2009 34 45 -11 11

Martinez years:

2010 37 79 -42 16
2011 40 61 -21 16
2012 42 62 -20 15
2013 47 73 -26 18

Post Martinez:

2014 61 48 13 5
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I'm almost certain you'll be picked up on where Wigan are now and the fact the season quoted was in championship as appose acknowledging the very Valid PL stats you've used.
 
ianefc said:
What are you on about, this almost seems that you're being smug that we're 12th.

Pipe yourself down and offer an opinion as appose being sarcastic about fellow Blues' thoughts.

Irony in your name aswell as you're acting like a kid.
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I think we'll finish higher than12th. Yeah and strangely enough I am smug about people predicting we'll drop three places being wrong
 
oldblue said:
I think we'll finish higher than12th. Yeah and strangely enough I am smug about people predicting we'll drop three places being wrong
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Well that's odd. Just all round odd, if we were afforded the opportunity to be smug, it would be nice. Just imagine any lurkers reading one Evertonian being smug towards others because we are not 15th.

Have some expectation man.

You MUST have been brought up on better than this.
 

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