Roberto Martinez Discussion - Including Live Poll (Poll Reset 1st May)

[Ihaters]

It's not about choice but reality - answer this 5th place or for this year a more realistic top half but we actually win something which is why we exist. Of course we have to do better but don't dismiss what winning a cup means or as our most successful ever manager quoted the most important trophy was the first.

How about 5th place or a semi final?
Your comparing winning to not winning, I still don't get this argument

 

[Tubey]

A quick question if we finish 7th and win the cup do you want him out??

Nope. That'd give him until Christmas for me to prove he can get the team going early in a season.

 

[moyes cardy]

How about 5th place or a semi final?
Your comparing winning to not winning, I still don't get this argument

Then the entire thread falls down on what may happen both in potential final league placing and what may happen in the cup. Judge at season end.

 

[ijjysmith]

A quick question if we finish 7th and win the cup do you want him out??

I'd be bloody made up.

 

[Tubey]

I'd be bloody made up.

Put into context, my best guess is that'd require us winning at least six of our remaining nine games, and realistically it'd need to be seven.

So I'd be made up too - but it's pretty much an impossible outcome at this point.

 

[Jreverton1]

Then the entire thread falls down on what may happen both in potential final league placing and what may happen in the cup. Judge at season end.

I think most are judging him on nearly 3 seasons in, 2 of which have been really poor in the league, despite what we might achieve in this years FA Cup.

 

[moyes cardy]

I think most are judging him on nearly 3 seasons in, 2 of which have been really poor in the league, despite what we might achieve in this years FA Cup.

But if he finished 7th and won the cup would you keep him? Not defending poor results at home as this must improve but not impossible we do the above.

 

[Ihaters]

Then the entire thread falls down on what may happen both in potential final league placing and what may happen in the cup. Judge at season end.

Bottom line is he hasn't won anything for us yet in the cup, and our league position is deteriorating from where it has been for a decade and more. If league position improves or we win a cup then perspectives on the job he is doing will improve.

Comparing 5th to winning something doesn't make sense though to me. At least compare winning the league to winning the cup, or coming 5th to getting knocked out in the quarter finals.

 

[Tubey]

But if he finished 7th and won the cup would you keep him? Not defending poor results at home as this must improve but not impossible we do the above.

It's a moot point though mate. If we were in contention to finish top seven, then the discontent wouldn't be the same with the manager.

As it is, we could easily slump out of the FA Cup with one bad game in the semi against decent opposition, and finish about 14th. And that's actually looking the more likely scenario.

 

[moyes cardy]

Bottom line is he hasn't won anything for us yet in the cup, and our league position is deteriorating from where it has been for a decade and more. If league position improves or we win a cup then perspectives on the job he is doing will improve.

Comparing 5th to winning something doesn't make sense though to me. At least compare winning the league to winning the cup, or coming 5th to getting knocked out in the quarter finals.

Confused by your last paragraph if we win the cup it's our first in 21 years which is what we will remember not years of 7th. It's trophies that matter likewise no one remembers who finishes 2nd in the league.

 

[moyes cardy]

It's a moot point though mate. If we were in contention to finish top seven, then the discontent wouldn't be the same with the manager.

As it is, we could easily slump out of the FA Cup with one bad game in the semi against decent opposition, and finish about 14th. And that's actually looking the more likely scenario.

Might do yes but we don't know that hence season end is the right time to judge.

 

[ijjysmith]

Put into context, my best guess is that'd require us winning at least six of our remaining nine games, and realistically it'd need to be seven.

So I'd be made up too - but it's pretty much an impossible outcome at this point.

Oh god yeah. It's never gonna happen. We're a bit crap.

 

[TheFinnFan]

I'd be bloody made up.

whats the real difference between 7th or lets seay12th like,,, nooothing

 

[oldblue]

Put whatever spin on it you want mate. Most will know my passion for the club.

Thought we were agreeing but there you go

 

[ijjysmith]

whats the real difference between 7th or lets seay12th like,,, nooothing

Something like £10m.