Roberto Martinez Discussion - Including Live Poll (Poll Reset 1st May)

[Jreverton1]

But Kendall did the same in 83/84 so he would also have gone..

The thing is we're not likely to achieve top half let alone 7th, but I do fancy our chances in the cup.

 

[Tubey]

To add to this - can anyone name how many times under Martinez we've won two games on the spin?!

League form in the last two seasons up until right now.

67 games played.
21 won
22 drawn
24 lost

So the likely ending to the season statistically.

3 wins, 3 draws, 3 losses or or 2 wins, 3 draws, 4 losses.

So either 12 or 9 points (50 or 47), which last season would have had us 10th to 12th.

How anyone can see that as acceptable is quite beyond me.

 

[TheFinnFan]

You're not happy finishing 12th mate. Stop pretending. You're better than that.

i am, but there s no point of cheering about where you end up in between 7- or effing 15....it's all the same, it will be like water on ducks arse feathers that and you know it. this season is pretty much done. theres one thing to thrive for. otherwise it's like...is martinez gonna bottle it hard enough to get the converse in his anus.

 

[moyes cardy]

Being pragmatic - no.

Finishing 7th means wining around six games out of the remaining nine which I find impossible bearing in mind bobby god has a winning rate of 31% in the league for two seasons in a row.

He has form for doing exactly that in run in. Not defending our home record you can't but same as if we win the cup he has delivered in 3 years what previous managers couldn't do in 18.

 

[ijjysmith]

i am, but there s no point of cheering about where you end up in between 7- or effing 15....it's all the same, it will be like water on ducks arse feathers that and you know it. this season is pretty much done. theres one thing to thrive for. otherwise it's like...is martinez gonna bottle it hard enough to get the converse in his anus.

There is though.

 

[CahillsCornerFlag]

I've said this before but I'll say it again.

Martinez has underperformed and underwhelmed now for the majority of his Everton career.

If Martinez took over, say West Ham instead of Everton and did exactly what he did at Everton, signed some sexy players but they finished 5th followed by two bottom half finishes - nobody would be advocating him/have him on their shortlist to be Everton manager this summer.

Misplayed loyalty. We may present himself well, be a nice man, but we owe the man nothing.

Bolded the most important bit, we don't owe Martinez anything. Three seasons in the modern league era is a long reign, and most clubs don't stand for 6 months of underachievement, let alone 2 years. He's spent all the goodwill he earned from his first season, and proven that he's not got the skillset or the flexibility to take us forward.

 

[evertony]

Because there's nearly two seasons now of chronic and consistent underperformance. There's nothing to suggest we'll suddenly go on a barnstorming run and win 90% of our games from now until the end of the season.

But if there were no chance then why even have a cup competition....just give the pot to the team who one most games last season.
Football this season has been more unpredictable than it has for many a year in the EPL....I'm not saying it will happen, just that there's equal chance of it happening.

 

[Tubey]

i am, but there s no point of cheering about where you end up in between 7- or effing 15....it's all the same, it will be like water on ducks arse feathers that and you know it. this season is pretty much done. theres one thing to thrive for. otherwise it's like...is martinez gonna bottle it hard enough to get the converse in his anus.

Why do people keep saying this? Are you being sarcastic and I'm just not noticing.

There's obviously a difference - more prize money than winning the FA Cup for about six years on the spin being one, and not being viewed as a lame duck by potential transfer targets as well as star players already at the club being another.

 

[Tubey]

But if there were no chance then why even have a cup competition....just give the pot to the team who one most games last season.
Football this season has been more unpredictable than it has for many a year in the EPL....I'm not saying it will happen, just that there's equal chance of it happening.

I didn't say there's "no chance" - I said statistically there's nothing to suggest it's a likelihood. We are statistically likely to win 33% of our games at present - not the 90% needed to finish 7th and win the FA Cup.

That's a bit of a difference.

 

[bring the ghost on]

Genuinely don't know whether Davek is the world's best internet troll, or actually believes the stuff he comes out with.

Either way, it's something to behold.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

i am, but there s no point of cheering about where you end up in between 7- or effing 15....it's all the same, it will be like water on ducks arse feathers that and you know it. this season is pretty much done. theres one thing to thrive for. otherwise it's like...is martinez gonna bottle it hard enough to get the converse in his anus.

Staggering Finners.

May as well not bother in the league at all then eh?

I suspect Martinez agrees with you.

5th and considered genuine Champions League potentials is why Lukaku signed.

Good players dont sign for teams that just live to exist in mid table/bottom half.

 

[TheFinnFan]

There is though.

Why do people keep saying this? Are you being sarcastic and I'm just not noticing.

There's obviously a difference - more prize money than winning the FA Cup for about six years on the spin being one, and not being viewed as a lame duck by potential transfer targets as well as star players already at the club being another.

i was reacting to ijjys obviously overreacted comment about how important it is to be 7th or something.. it doesnt matter so much and you know it. ofcourse it gives you few millions more than like 10th but blaah, if your season is like blaaaah and you dont get moisture out of europe or from the cups then ask a fan in the summer time does he get kicks out of 7th place. ...

 

[Thomasc]

I've said this before but I'll say it again.

Martinez has underperformed and underwhelmed now for the majority of his Everton career.

If Martinez took over, say West Ham instead of Everton and did exactly what he did at Everton, signed some sexy players but they finished 5th followed by two bottom half finishes - nobody would be advocating him/have him on their shortlist to be Everton manager this summer.

Misplayed loyalty. He may present himself well, be a nice man, but we owe the man nothing.

But 72 points!

Ok it was ages ok.....

And ok we have been dung since......

And ok it got us 5th and European football but that doesn't matter as 15th is the same as 5th....

But 72 points though!

 

[toffee matt]

Since we beat Arsenal this weekend 2 years ago.

We've won only 24 games in 74 league games

 

[ijjysmith]

i was reacting to ijjys obviously overreacted comment about how important it is to be 7th or something.. it doesnt matter so much and you know it. ofcourse it gives you few millions more than like 10th but blaah, if your season is like blaaaah and you dont get moisture out of europe or from the cups then ask a fan in the summer time does he get kicks out of 7th place. ...

I can't really understand why you'd be equally happy being 12th compared to 7th.

I'd be happier being 11th than 12th. And a little sadder being 13th.

That's how leagues work isn't it?