Roberto Martinez discussion

ToffeeTim · December 30, 2015

It's not just the conceding from set plays that is ridiculous. It's also the fact that due to ignoring them defensively, we offer nowhere near enough threat from them at the other end

Goat · December 30, 2015

But it highlights what a decent group of lads we have at the club.

They dont like the tactics so they go and have a word with the fella.

Contrast it to the rats at Chelsea and United and other clubs who just throw the towel in and wait for the manager to get sacked.

ianefc · December 30, 2015

MoutsGoat said:
Well the first 1 is from Cahills.

Ouch.

D410 · December 30, 2015

MoutsGoat said:
But it highlights what a decent group of lads we have at the club.

They dont like the tactics so they go and have a word with the fella.

Contrast it to the rats at Chelsea and United and other clubs who just throw the towel in and wait for the manager to get sacked.

That,s a fantastic post which really nails it to the wall.

Whistlin' Dixie · December 30, 2015

Saint Domingo said:
Cracking player.

davek · December 30, 2015

roydo said:
Again, it was more of a helping hand. Remember when all that stuff was kicking off? Maybe that gave him the stones to deal with it?

...as I remember though mate, it wasn't Christmas which was the nadir, it was the end of February that it really hit the fan: one point from Leicester at home, Arsenal and Stoke away. Only after that, with the Newcastle game, did the mood lift. If they had a word it had a very delayed reaction. I thought we played our way out of it with a lot of counter attacking footy in those next games which sort of laid down the basis for the type of form and style we see this season.

Toffeelover · December 30, 2015

boris said:
Let's not be soft about this. There will be some of them he'll want though and some who won't be part of his plans. For example he wanted Stones before Moyes, it was only Bobby's interest that made Moyes move.

He obviously likes Baines as he refused 17 mill for him.

He's made Barkley the player he is by bringing him back from obscurity on poor loans and building his team around him.

There'll be plenty he doesn't like though, there will also be some he's signed that haven't worked out for one reason or another or he signed as short term fixes which is the case for all managers.

You don't build your own squad at aub like Everton in 2 years, it takes a lot longer than that.

Ha, we come back Boris to how much time that si the crux of it all. Had 2.5 seasons now still not sorted the defence and by your own words did not do it in 4 seasons at Wigan.

edge · December 30, 2015

MoutsGoat said:
But it highlights what a decent group of lads we have at the club.

They dont like the tactics so they go and have a word with the fella.

Contrast it to the rats at Chelsea and United and other clubs who just throw the towel in and wait for the manager to get sacked.

we are still practicing that, we can only manage it for half a game at the moment or the last few minutes if they really try.

davek · December 30, 2015

MoutsGoat said:
For me it just highlights why we did so well in El Cocos first season, it was still fresh.
Rom, Geri and Ross dont need to be taught how to attack, hell Rom even said he trained himself over the Summer to be the beast we see now.
How about we get Moyes in as a defensive coach?

I heard from a director it was all Steve Round's work...

Goat · December 30, 2015

edge said:
we are still practicing that, we can only manage it for half a game at the moment or the last few minutes if they really try.

I think its 20% tactics, 80% Howard.

Darth Vader · December 30, 2015

http://www.fourfourtwo.com/news/lukaku-everton-players-enforced-direct-style#:ghv2f1rw49W9nA

Found it

What an awful manager we have, He needs to be told by players that are still kids that he's setting the team up wrong

Apparently it's happened again this season regarding the defensive issues

roydo · December 30, 2015

davek said:
...as I remember though mate, it wasn't Christmas which was the nadir, it was the end of February that it really hit the fan: one point from Leicester at home, Arsenal and Stoke away. Only after that, with the Newcastle game, did the mood lift. If they had a word it had a very delayed reaction. I thought we played our way out of it with a lot of counter attacking footy in those next games which sort of laid down the basis for the type of form and style we see this season.

Tomato Tomato mate. It was around that awful dip/perceived "issues" period. If that was Feb, then Feb it was. My memory is lousy at the best of times on dates and matches and that.

maccavennie · December 30, 2015

davek said:
...as I remember though mate, it wasn't Christmas which was the nadir, it was the end of February that it really hit the fan: one point from Leicester at home, Arsenal and Stoke away. Only after that, with the Newcastle game, did the mood lift. If they had a word it had a very delayed reaction. I thought we played our way out of it with a lot of counter attacking footy in those next games which sort of laid down the basis for the type of form and style we see this season.

Bloody hell do you remember that Stoke away Dave, I think I might have mentioned that night that I thought the players were actively trying to get him sacked after that woeful performance.

That was one dark night that only slightly numbed by an enormous amount of alcohol.

davek · December 30, 2015

Saint Domingo said:
What, basic defending? It's not even with the ball Davek. Your persistent polarisation of the two managers really does go too far. Do you think we should be improving our defence? Without doing these sort of drills how is that achieved?

Neither of us have any expertise in organising a group of professional PL defenders how to defend, so maybe we should leave it to the manager...and the directors of the club, who also know more than the manager...apparently.