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The only thing that is slightly annoying or 2 things to me

1 their are a few stars and facts in there that have been overlooked for the opinions that can be compared to the authors opinions on other pieces
2 if it was dug up and posted by someone else, and it was a piece praising Martinez (I'm sure they'll be one out there) that would be taken as gospel.

It's the double standards...I'm all for everyone being entitled to their opinion as long as they're consistent.

Boo Boo poor form dear chap. The author wants attacking gung ho football not structured and disciplined. How does it go. He has an agenda.

Well the hack isn't consistent.
 

Everton: Six wins from nineteen games. SIX.

By by Simon Winter on December 29, 2015



There is a current Premier League side who had their lowest league finish in ten seasons last year, registering their lowest points total in that time in the process. At the half way stage of this campaign, they are on course to register their second lowest points total in that same timeframe (should they mirror the form they showed from August to January).

The only 3 victories in their last 12 games have come against the league’s bottom three sides. In fact they have won just 6 league games from 19 all season.

SIX wins from nineteen games. SIX.

The same team has been labelled “electric” and “exhilarating”, their players have been lathered in coats of adulatory journalistic phlegm and their manager pedestalised.

That team is Everton FC. That manager is Roberto Martinez.

It’s hard not to get lured in and swallowed up by the general positive vibes that you get when watching Everton play. They attack with pace and guile, they seem to have great players all over the pitch, but they hardly ever win. Everton would be the perfect case study for the “entertainment vs success” debate.

As I pointed out earlier, last season was their lowest league finish in a decade, but Goodison Park also recorded its highest average attendance in that same ten year span despite them winning just 7 of their 19 home games. Crap results, but the fans kept coming in droves. So far in 2015/16 their home record stands at 3 wins from 10.

Everton are producing the kind of results that would see other manager’s slaughtered in the press and on the terraces in equal measure, so how has Martinez dodged the criticism?

Granted, Everton seem to play well most weeks, but shouldn’t that in itself set alarm bells ringing? You often hear the old football adage “it’s always a good sign to play badly and win”, but shouldn’t the reverse of that clichéd statement be something of a concern to Blues fans? If your team plays well every week and STILL can’t win…….what happens when they play poorly?

Everton’s easiness on the eye has blinded many to a truth that has been hiding in plain sight. Everton’s results have been atrocious for 18 months. EIGHTEEN months. This is no temporary dip, no momentary lapse, no short lived bungle – it’s a long term pattern of underperformance.

The headlines wax lyrical about Lukaku, Deulofeu, Stones and Barkley who produce show stopping moments, but Everton are not winning near enough football matches. The show stopping moments are just magical seconds buried within weekly 90 minute failures.

SIX wins from nineteen games. SIX.

Martinez’ Teflonic ability to deflect and avoid the critics was apparent during his tenure at Wigan too. The Latics were a Premier League team for 8 consecutive seasons, 4 before Martinez and 4 with him. They finished 10th, 17th, 14th and 11th before Martinez arrival and 16th, 16th, 15th and a relegated 18th with the Spaniard. He made them worse. Easier on the eye, but worse. It’s only fair to acknowledge Wigan’s miraculous FA Cup win in his last season, but the club have since swirled down the English league football drain and probably won’t be back for a long, long time – if ever at all.

In his first season at Everton he bested his predecessor David Moyes by one place, finishing 5th to Moyes 6th the season before. If we open the history books again, Everton’s last 10 Premier League placings look like this: 6th, 5th, 5th, 8th, 7th, 7th, 6th, 5th and 11th last season. Should Everton fail to redress 18 months of poor form, they look set for another mid table finish this time around. So, speaking in terms of league finishes, Martinez has made Everton worse. Easier on the eye, but worse. Can you see a pattern emerging?

Evertonians seem thrilled with their lot. They probably enjoy their team’s tag as the league’s great entertainers. In a season where one of football’s biggest headlines has been Man Utd’s transformation into the Premier League’s most boring side, Blues fans have been treated to gluts of goals and drama by the bucketful. But they hardly ever win games. They don’t win as many games as Crystal Palace, West Ham, Watford, West Brom or Stoke and Everton have better players than all of them.

At what point does the mist lift from eyes distracted by the pretty passing carousel? Are those at Goodison Park transfixed and stupefied by a studious Spanish face and articulate English in a Spanish accent? At what point do you list the talent at Martinez disposal and correctly conclude that his results just don’t measure up?

SIX wins from nineteen games. SIX.

If we get to February/March with Everton still languishing in midtable, don’t be surprised to hear the first rumblings of Scouse discontent. If Lukaku picks up an injury or loses a bit of form, those rumblings might start even earlier. Or maybe all it will take is for one big name to take a swipe before everyone realizes that the Emperor is nude?

http://www.back-post.com/2015/12/29/everton-six-wins-from-nineteen-games-six/

Honestly that doesn't even bother me. What bothers me is that Howard continuously plays despite being horrible game after game. What bothers me is that Kone is constantly played despite Mirallas clearly offering more. I don't mind bad results if we are trying to change. But what Martinez is doing is sending the same team with the same individual players who are at fault out with hope that they'll do better the next time. This is what I can't stand.
 
It's hard to argue against a season and a half of crap results.
Moyes had that dodgy second season and he admitted his mistakes, listened to his seasoned pro's such as Carsley, and got back on track.
I saw problems with our open play in his 1st season but we outscored teams and Martinez made subs that affected the game.
Really really really want him to be successful but it doesn't look like he can coach a defence.
Mate he doesn't even do an attack properly - the lack of any kind of defence shows you what I saw from my seat in the top balcony on Monday - a team throwing themselves forward indiscriminately in a completely kamikaze manner. It doesn't take some kind of tactical genius to do that and expect a lack of goals does it?

The fact is he doesn't know how to do an attack that does not destroy the defence.
 

He has merely shown that the man is a contradicting clown who's article does not need addressing
Whilst ignoring the posts facts for one. Like I say would he of done that if it was a positive piece on Martinez? With positive stats? I doubt it.

Double standards all over the gaff.
 
"Refreshingly, Leicester have approached their games with a ‘you score two, we’ll score three’ mentality, which has been a wonderful escape from the highly structured, tactically disciplined set ups that many teams employ. They are the league’s great entertainers. They have scored just one goal less than current leaders City and have conceded the same number of goals as bottom club Aston Villa" Simon Winter.

So refreshing to see a Journalist being consistent.
Maybe the fact that Leceister win games and are 2nd in the league has something to do with it.
 
"So why not approach the game in that way from the outset? It wasn’t necessary to be overly gung-ho, there weren’t huge or obvious gaps for United to exploit on the break (bar the counter for the injury time penalty). Why not make the game a contest from kick-off? Adventure is very often rewarded in this league if teams have the courage to embrace it".
 

Honestly that doesn't even bother me. What bothers me is that Howard continuously plays despite being horrible game after game. What bothers me is that Kone is constantly played despite Mirallas clearly offering more. I don't mind bad results if we are trying to change. But what Martinez is doing is sending the same team with the same individual players who are at fault out with hope that they'll do better the next time. This is what I can't stand.

We are all different.

What bothers me is seeing the team slide down the table and keep losing games.

We will undoubtedly lose Lukaku within the next 7 months. Mainly because the manager with some great talent cannot organise the side and has turned is into a more expensive version of Wigan

We should be doing better than 1 win in 3 for 18 months, unless of course we all vastly overrate our players.
 
Maybe the fact that Leceister win games and are 2nd in the league has something to do with it.

The hack doesn't believe in structure and discipline. Something actually Leicester have. He wants ...

"I feel I am slipping a little off track here with my Pulis bashing, but it’s more a comparison or example of what football shouldn’t be and a style that clubs should never strive to emulate.

What Leicester have shown the leagues other minnows (not intended as an insult, put down the torches) is that you don’t need to pack your team full of 6 foot plus bruisers to succeed. Trust in the game’s footballers, believe in expression, pick talent and ingenuity over limitation and cynicism. Be a Flying Fox and not a Boring Baggie".
 
Whilst ignoring the posts facts for one. Like I say would he of done that if it was a positive piece on Martinez? With positive stats? I doubt it.

Double standards all over the gaff.
If he had wrote an article praising Martinez would you be agreeing with it? Or finding ways to pick holes and belittle it, I think we both know the answer and totally respect your position we all have opinions.
 
He has merely shown that the man is a contradicting clown who's article does not need addressing
That's not true he addressed it at least 4 times. Also the facts provided and the patterns of results and finishing league position in respect to the one that went before doesn't need addressing? Are you sure that's fair, if it's of just be the facts would it of been a better piece?
 
"So why not approach the game in that way from the outset? It wasn’t necessary to be overly gung-ho, there weren’t huge or obvious gaps for United to exploit on the break (bar the counter for the injury time penalty). Why not make the game a contest from kick-off? Adventure is very often rewarded in this league if teams have the courage to embrace it".
Totally agree with that.
And also that football is about defending as well as attacking. Simple really.
 

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