Roberto Martinez discussion

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“You cannot just click our fingers overnight and expect to become a good team and a team that can score goals and attractive to watch like we want to do at Everton and then have the know-how to keep leads and win games with ease.

Everton used to be a top 6 team under Moyes. Martinez inherited the team and got Everton 5th in 2013. I don't get this click our fingers overnight and becoming a good team. Everton was a good team. It is a matter whether you can keep it as a good PL team. I don't like this good to watch excuse. You need to win games. A manager shall lead the team to get the best results in PL and a trophy, hopefully.
 

Mikey_Fitzgerald said:
Moyes played and cultivated a very narrow type of Youth Player (Hence why solid overall pro's like Osman did alright under him but flair players like Barkley struggled)

The only player who Martinez kicked to the curb for stylistic reasons was Duffy. Browning and Galloway are strikingly different from a Barkley and Deulofeu in the way they play, but all 4 have gotten a chance
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Duffy was kicked to the curb because he wasn't good enough mate
 

orly said:
Everton defensive formation vs Stoke

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Personally I would have said that is the attacking formation the other team's defence is to the left in that picture.
 
orly said:
Which he hasn't been able to.
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That's a little premature. It's still an open question. A lot of people in the Premier League (including Moyes) say the hardest thing in the league is to score goals. It's easier to play like a Pulis side withe men behind the play and hope to nick goals somehow. Personally, I wouldn't want to watch that week-in, week-out. So, arguably, Martinez has done the hardest part. Now, it's a question of whether he can row backwards a little but keep the style. Given the progress he's made on the attacking front, I'm willing to see how his team develops.
 
Mikey_Fitzgerald said:
He was kicked to the curb because Martinez didn't like the way he played mate

He's a thoroughly capable young CB, but he didn't do boss tekkers so he was out

He'll be back in the Premier League some day
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If he was good enough, he would still be here.

If is that good, premiership team would be courting him.

Shawcross does not do tekkers, Martinez wanted him.

Duffy was never, ever,ever ready for first team football
 

blueboy1664 said:
If he was good enough, he would still be here.

If is that good, premiership team would be courting him.

Shawcross does not do tekkers, Martinez wanted him.

Duffy was never, ever,ever ready for first team football
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They said the same about Vardy mate

Had to graft in lower divisions and look at him now

Duffy will end up making a lot of people look very stupid when he's a regular starting Premier League CB
 
Toffeelover said:
possibly, always struck me as being the olf fashioned type of centre half, big to get stuck into attackers and jump to head a ball and he could head.
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He's thoroughly old fashioned

Big lad, good in the air and likes a cruncher now and then

Exact opposite of a "Martinez player", and that's ultimately why he didn't find his way to the first team set up

Two managers at Blackburn have stuck with him now and he's entering some good defensive performances

He's never going to be World Class, but he'll do a job for a top tier team at the back. Nothing wrong with that
 

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