Roberto Martinez discussion

[boris]

I think even Martinez's biggest fans admit he's talks a lot of nonsense in press conferences although I feel he is getting better.

In reality I don't think he gives a toss about what he says, it's all about supporting his team and his players. He'll never slaughter them, he'll never even criticise them. He only ever speaks positive of what they do and for me that's a big reason they all love him and want to play for him.

After what's happened to Delefeou, Lukaku and Barkley under previous managers it must be an absolute joy to be supported and allowed to express yourself as much as they are here. He's a players dream and part of the reason I don't think we'll lose anyone bar Stones who I reckon we'll want to sell so we can spend the money.

I think he's made Stones, not many managers would allow him to play as he does. Under another manager he'd have just been a decent defender as defending is not his strength and he wouldn't be allowed to play as he does. He owes a lot to Bobby and I think he knows it, the same can be said for a few of our players.

 

[Dutch Toffee]

What's the use of comparing Moyes with Martinez? Completely different circumstances in where they had to work in. What's the point in slagging of Moyes in order to defend Martinez or vice versa?

Moyes steadied the very unstable ship that Everton was back then an build a great fundament for any new incoming manager to work with. This especially seeing the board he had to work with and the serious lack of investment.

Problem with Moyes was that he's not a manager with refreshing ideas and imho had taken Everton as far as he possible could. Moyes was never the manager that would take Everton breaking through that glass ceiling and tbh I believe he was quite happy with the way the media perceived Everton. 'Plucky little Everton punching above their weight'.

Martinez on the other hand is a much more positive manager with refreshing ideas and an eye for uncovering tremendous young talent. The squad we have now looks so impressive. We compare favourably with almost every other PL team. The style of football he has introduced is so pleasing on the eye, yet often so much cause for frustration at the final whistle.

As I give him credit for all the breathtaking attacking play we often produce, I also hold him accountable for the alarming rate at which we ship goals. The way he keeps having faith in Howard also annoys me no ends.

I really like Martinez and desperately want him to come good for us. As long as he doesn't sort out the defence and goalkeeper situation he keeps digging a hole for himself though. Such a shame as I'm 100% convinced we're on the brink of breaking through that 'glass ceiling' and in all honesty, we probably already should have.

 

[royalblue66]

No leader on the pitch and no leader off it.

 

[boris]

Really good post dutchtoffee.....agree with the lot of that.

 

[Axlswhk]

I'm still seething with extreme anger after 24 hours.

 

[Goat]

What's the use of comparing Moyes with Martinez? Completely different circumstances in where they had to work in. What's the point in slagging of Moyes in order to defend Martinez or vice versa?

Moyes steadied the very unstable ship that Everton was back then an build a great foundation for any new incoming manager to work with. This especially seeing the board he had to work with and the serious lack of investment.

Problem with Moyes was that he's not a manager with refreshing ideas and imho had taken Everton as far as he possible could. Moyes was never the manager that would take Everton breaking through that glass ceiling and tbh I believe he was quite happy with the way the media perceived Everton. 'Plucky little Everton punching above their weight'.

Martinez on the other hand is a much more positive manager with refreshing ideas and an eye for uncovering tremendous young talent. The squad we have now looks so impressive. We compare favourably with almost every other PL team. The style of football he has introduced is so pleasing on the eye, yet often so much cause for frustration at the final whistle.

As I give him credit for all the breathtaking attacking play we often produce, I also hold him accountable for the alarming rate at which we ship goals. The way he keeps having faith in Howard also annoys me no ends.

I really like Martinez and desperately want him to come good for us. As long as he doesn't sort out the defence and goalkeeper situation he keeps digging a hole for himself though. Such a shame as I'm 100% convinced we're on the brink of breaking through that 'glass ceiling' and in all honesty, we probably already should have.

Thats a wrap folks.

Lock this till after the City game.

 

[Pacman]

Spurs is an example of a young side doing very well.

It doesnt change the general rule that young players will be inconsistent. I dont think thats a myth.

Maybe not a myth but it's certainly not an excuse for me, especially when the youth in question consists of the leagues top goalscorer, the best young English midfielder and Deloufou who has the 3rd/4th most assists in the league.

The difference between the two sides essentially is the goalkeeper and the defensive organisation of either side, which coincidentally are the 2 biggest issues I have with Martinez. Even if he inherently cant fix his defence he could atleast drop Howard, something which his blind loyalty/stubborness isn't allowing him to do.

 

[dannyboy]

Moyes's finished 17th with 39 points after being here for over 2 years.

He also had a world class talent like Rooney to use that season.

You know the comparisons between what Moyes inherited and what Martinez inherited are pointless.

 

[ianefc]

..and yet no evidence to back this fantasy up.

Strike 1

 

[Titus Bramble]

No leader on the pitch and no leader off it.

Oh dear

 

[davek]

What's the use of comparing Moyes with Martinez? Completely different circumstances in where they had to work in. What's the point in slagging of Moyes in order to defend Martinez or vice versa?

Moyes steadied the very unstable ship that Everton was back then an build a great foundation for any new incoming manager to work with. This especially seeing the board he had to work with and the serious lack of investment.

Problem with Moyes was that he's not a manager with refreshing ideas and imho had taken Everton as far as he possible could. Moyes was never the manager that would take Everton breaking through that glass ceiling and tbh I believe he was quite happy with the way the media perceived Everton. 'Plucky little Everton punching above their weight'.

Martinez on the other hand is a much more positive manager with refreshing ideas and an eye for uncovering tremendous young talent. The squad we have now looks so impressive. We compare favourably with almost every other PL team. The style of football he has introduced is so pleasing on the eye, yet often so much cause for frustration at the final whistle.

As I give him credit for all the breathtaking attacking play we often produce, I also hold him accountable for the alarming rate at which we ship goals. The way he keeps having faith in Howard also annoys me no ends.

I really like Martinez and desperately want him to come good for us. As long as he doesn't sort out the defence and goalkeeper situation he keeps digging a hole for himself though. Such a shame as I'm 100% convinced we're on the brink of breaking through that 'glass ceiling' and in all honesty, we probably already should have.

Take that GK out and and replace him even with Robles (who is decent but not top drawer) and we'd be 4th/5th right now.

There's no question Martinez has made a major blunder with Howard. At the same time though, and as you imply, the fundamentals are there for us to progress at a rapid pace. It makes no sense whatsoever to even place a question mark over the manager's head...the man responsible for the technical leap forward.

 

[MrGrumpy]

I dont understand why you feel the need to mention Moyes, he left 3 years ago.

Its not Moyes fault we are currently looking at 2 bottom half finishes in 2 years, something that last happened in 2002, which for the record, was before Moyes.

Did the season end? Because I though there was just under half a season to go, we are 5 points away from 6th with 16 games left

 

[kenada_blue]

Didn't take a chance by running up 72 points...which most seasons would get you just about over the line. 72 points is running on fumes for this club mate. The Moyes CL spot year was a freak with such a low points total of 61 for 4th. We are not geared up for a CL tilt. We need mid-70 points totals. If you want that then get a new owner, let them fund the squad properly, and then if it doesn't work out blame your manager.

The cups: well let's see what happens shall we.

BTW, I dont think you fully answered the question, tbh. Where do you stand on this manager? Is this someone you want out in the near future or not?

I think he's on his last straw.

He has all the tools to deliver promise. His transfers are pretty much excellent. His style is great on the eye. He's positive and develops youth.

BUT...unless he makes good on the opportunities presented, changes his game management, and stops being naive he'll create a club that isn't a top 4 club or challenges for trophies...he'll create Southampton mark 2.

He's got one season left for me.

 

[davek]

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Ha Ha Ha. And....?

Someone else wanted O'Neill here and I told them he wouldn't leave Celtic...and that's the smoking gun?

Oh dear.

Leave the vaulting alone mate. You have no aptitude for it.

 

[riddick]

I'm still seething with extreme anger after 24 hours.

Yep, same. I'm so done with all the fn draws..