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davek
Player Valuation: £150m
The feller's a mess. I wont read the scribblings of that pond scum.
bizzaro
LOVE GOT JUST THE WAY IT IS #ALWNV
Well said mate
Don't worry lads @davek 's got this. Single handedly taking all the bullet's being fired into the managers back from those short sighted individuals. Who would see EFC regress not progress.
It's wonderful to see an Evertonian like dave committed to Everton playing cultured football. Not agricultural football.
Boss poster.
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
Spot on bizzy.
bizzaro
LOVE GOT JUST THE WAY IT IS #ALWNV
I dint agree with you on everything.
Villa/Lerner.
Politics.
Naismith.
Mirallas.
Etc.
However can't say you're wrong when the manager needs support.
Not knives or bullets in the back.
I was entirely wrong on Moyes. His comments about us at United were utterly outrageous.
BernieWright13
Player Valuation: £15m
If we are judging people on words alone, Martinez should be managing in the BSP.
BernieWright13
Player Valuation: £15m
LMAO
dannyboy
Player Valuation: £60m
How is it shocking that some of us aren't happy with winning 1 game in 9? Turn it in, mate. People are more than within their rights to bemoan what's been a poor season.
You might love losing out in high scoring games but to say it's unbelievable that people are unhappy with our current form is just mad.
Bluerover
Player Valuation: £50m
Yes I am fed up with the refereeing decisions....
No I don't want RM to leave...
But he has to get the whole defensive structure sorted.
A fair amount of perhaps uncomfortable truth in this article from today's Irish indo.....
http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/premier-league/article34372432.ece
When it comes to managers moaning about the decisions of referees or assistants after their team has dropped points, it's a good rule of thumb to swap the word "defending" into the complaint and see if the root cause of the problem can't be found a little closer to home.
Take Roberto Martinez and Everton, for example, who was correct to point out that John Terry was offside - albeit nowhere near the two yards he suggested - and see if the substitution of words* could be used to highlight Everton's problems.
"It was a fantastic game for the fans but the level of defending* was diabolical."
Or
"Maybe defenders* need a bit of help. But to have a player two yards off in the box is unacceptable. There's no explanation. It's a big, big error. It's not good enough."
Martinez is certainly justified in arguing that the officials should have spotted Terry in an offside position and the hope is that he is ranting at them in public while, privately, making enquiries among his players as to why this sort of thing keeps happening. Given the frequency of similar events, however, the suspicion is that that there are very few in-house questions being asked.
Similar
Last month it was a similar situation when Martinez rounded on Mark Clattenburg for a "terrible decision" in awarding a penalty against John Stones in the 4-3 defeat to Stoke when questions should have been asked about why Stones is going to ground in that moment or, more pertinently, why Everton lost having been 3-2 up with 10 minutes remaining.
The draw against Chelsea on Saturday was the second time this season that Everton have conceded a 98th-minute equaliser away from home in a 3-3 draw having taken the lead in injury-time and celebrated wildly.
Against Bournemouth, Martinez pointed the finger at the referee for playing beyond the originally announced amount of injury time although at least goalkeeper Tim Howard admitted that they had over-celebrated and "lacked a bit of composure and ... let ourselves down".
That's why Saturday's result, again, should have Martinez examining his own players first because, while Terry was offside, there was nothing remarkable about what Chelsea did to equalise. It was simply a hopeful punt launched near the box which Everton lost three consecutive aerial battles and allowed Terry to nip in behind them.
Rather than pin all the blame on a linesman's decision, it might be worth asking Phil Jagielka why he lost an aerial battle to Oscar for the final flick-on. For a good Premier League team, Everton have a nasty habit of conceding bad Sunday League goals.
To a great degree, Howard sums up the Martinez approach to defending which can be superb in one moment of a game followed by a baffling mistake moments later like a goalkeeping version of Kolo Toure.
Five minutes after his team went 2-0 up, Howard made a stunning save from Cesc Fabregas which few would have criticised him for not reaching as it looped over him towards the net.
Five minutes after that, Fabregas launched what was a reasonable pass towards Diego Costa which would have been dealt with comfortably had Howard's position not been three yards too deep. Instead, Howard's hesitancy meant Jagielka had to judge the flight of the ball, try to hold off Diego Costa at the same time as wondering what his goalkeeper was doing. In the end, the goalkeeper tackled his defender and Costa nipped in to score a goal which, every bit as much as the official not spotting Terry offside, was the reason for Everton not taking all three points.
At 42, Martinez still has plenty of time on his side but his pattern of being in charge of a team which is good to watch but one which throws away stupid points because of an inability to defend properly is something which will affect both the manager and the club's hopes of taking the next step.
In his six full seasons as a Premier League manager, Martinez's teams have conceded 79, 61, 62, 73, 39 and 50 goals yet Wigan somehow managed to survive the first of those seasons. When the concession tally went over 70 for a second time, they were not so lucky.
In a similar way to the early years of Arsene Wenger at Arsenal, Martinez's arrival added flair to the organisation which David Moyes had left at Everton and should have earned Champions League football, but for a late collapse.
The concern, however, is that the same failings keep cropping up and, having conceded 32 goals in 22 games so far this season, they look certain to go beyond the 50 they let in last season.
Trouble
In a similar way that Brendan Rodgers's mouth sometimes got him into trouble - describing Raheem Sterling as "the best young player in Europe" when the club weren't willing to pay him appropriately for example - Martinez has a habit of talking a little too much when things are going well. (Such is his level of positivity that one manager privately hoped that Martinez would speak at his funeral because "he could convince everyone there that I wasn't actually dead".)
Last month, Martinez asked for patience from supporters while emphasising the need to reach the Champions League in order to keep hold of their best players.
"We've got players at 21 and 22 like Stones, Barkley, Lukaku, Deulofeu, who, if you wanted to buy them with experience at 26, then you're talking about probably £250m expenditure," he added.
The aim was to illustrate how the club must take a long-term view but it begs the very obvious question that, if there are four players potentially worth £250m which doesn't even include James McCarthy or Seamus Coleman, why then are Everton 11th in the table, 10 points off both Champions League and relegation?
If the mooted takeover goes through, Martinez will need a decent answer to that question or, at least, a better run of results than the last 10 Premier League matches in which they have managed two wins, six draws and two defeats, albeit against some tough opposition.
It's a sequence in which they have played some excellent football and probably deserved to pick up more points but for some basic mistakes. The problem for Martinez is that the same thing has been said so often already in such a short managerial career and it shows few signs of changing.
Indo Sport
No I don't want RM to leave...
But he has to get the whole defensive structure sorted.
A fair amount of perhaps uncomfortable truth in this article from today's Irish indo.....
http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/premier-league/article34372432.ece
When it comes to managers moaning about the decisions of referees or assistants after their team has dropped points, it's a good rule of thumb to swap the word "defending" into the complaint and see if the root cause of the problem can't be found a little closer to home.
Take Roberto Martinez and Everton, for example, who was correct to point out that John Terry was offside - albeit nowhere near the two yards he suggested - and see if the substitution of words* could be used to highlight Everton's problems.
"It was a fantastic game for the fans but the level of defending* was diabolical."
Or
"Maybe defenders* need a bit of help. But to have a player two yards off in the box is unacceptable. There's no explanation. It's a big, big error. It's not good enough."
Martinez is certainly justified in arguing that the officials should have spotted Terry in an offside position and the hope is that he is ranting at them in public while, privately, making enquiries among his players as to why this sort of thing keeps happening. Given the frequency of similar events, however, the suspicion is that that there are very few in-house questions being asked.
Similar
Last month it was a similar situation when Martinez rounded on Mark Clattenburg for a "terrible decision" in awarding a penalty against John Stones in the 4-3 defeat to Stoke when questions should have been asked about why Stones is going to ground in that moment or, more pertinently, why Everton lost having been 3-2 up with 10 minutes remaining.
The draw against Chelsea on Saturday was the second time this season that Everton have conceded a 98th-minute equaliser away from home in a 3-3 draw having taken the lead in injury-time and celebrated wildly.
Against Bournemouth, Martinez pointed the finger at the referee for playing beyond the originally announced amount of injury time although at least goalkeeper Tim Howard admitted that they had over-celebrated and "lacked a bit of composure and ... let ourselves down".
That's why Saturday's result, again, should have Martinez examining his own players first because, while Terry was offside, there was nothing remarkable about what Chelsea did to equalise. It was simply a hopeful punt launched near the box which Everton lost three consecutive aerial battles and allowed Terry to nip in behind them.
Rather than pin all the blame on a linesman's decision, it might be worth asking Phil Jagielka why he lost an aerial battle to Oscar for the final flick-on. For a good Premier League team, Everton have a nasty habit of conceding bad Sunday League goals.
To a great degree, Howard sums up the Martinez approach to defending which can be superb in one moment of a game followed by a baffling mistake moments later like a goalkeeping version of Kolo Toure.
Five minutes after his team went 2-0 up, Howard made a stunning save from Cesc Fabregas which few would have criticised him for not reaching as it looped over him towards the net.
Five minutes after that, Fabregas launched what was a reasonable pass towards Diego Costa which would have been dealt with comfortably had Howard's position not been three yards too deep. Instead, Howard's hesitancy meant Jagielka had to judge the flight of the ball, try to hold off Diego Costa at the same time as wondering what his goalkeeper was doing. In the end, the goalkeeper tackled his defender and Costa nipped in to score a goal which, every bit as much as the official not spotting Terry offside, was the reason for Everton not taking all three points.
At 42, Martinez still has plenty of time on his side but his pattern of being in charge of a team which is good to watch but one which throws away stupid points because of an inability to defend properly is something which will affect both the manager and the club's hopes of taking the next step.
In his six full seasons as a Premier League manager, Martinez's teams have conceded 79, 61, 62, 73, 39 and 50 goals yet Wigan somehow managed to survive the first of those seasons. When the concession tally went over 70 for a second time, they were not so lucky.
In a similar way to the early years of Arsene Wenger at Arsenal, Martinez's arrival added flair to the organisation which David Moyes had left at Everton and should have earned Champions League football, but for a late collapse.
The concern, however, is that the same failings keep cropping up and, having conceded 32 goals in 22 games so far this season, they look certain to go beyond the 50 they let in last season.
Trouble
In a similar way that Brendan Rodgers's mouth sometimes got him into trouble - describing Raheem Sterling as "the best young player in Europe" when the club weren't willing to pay him appropriately for example - Martinez has a habit of talking a little too much when things are going well. (Such is his level of positivity that one manager privately hoped that Martinez would speak at his funeral because "he could convince everyone there that I wasn't actually dead".)
Last month, Martinez asked for patience from supporters while emphasising the need to reach the Champions League in order to keep hold of their best players.
"We've got players at 21 and 22 like Stones, Barkley, Lukaku, Deulofeu, who, if you wanted to buy them with experience at 26, then you're talking about probably £250m expenditure," he added.
The aim was to illustrate how the club must take a long-term view but it begs the very obvious question that, if there are four players potentially worth £250m which doesn't even include James McCarthy or Seamus Coleman, why then are Everton 11th in the table, 10 points off both Champions League and relegation?
If the mooted takeover goes through, Martinez will need a decent answer to that question or, at least, a better run of results than the last 10 Premier League matches in which they have managed two wins, six draws and two defeats, albeit against some tough opposition.
It's a sequence in which they have played some excellent football and probably deserved to pick up more points but for some basic mistakes. The problem for Martinez is that the same thing has been said so often already in such a short managerial career and it shows few signs of changing.
Indo Sport
detroiturk15
Player Valuation: £2.5m
Not to say Martinez should stick around in the event that this happens, but maybe, just maybe, this isn't that good a squad? I hate to draw it out and go position by position BUT:
Howard is for the most part past it. Joel is good, and I think Martinez should use him more often.
Coleman is not the player he was two seasons ago, and Stones is not really a solution while Coleman's hurt.
Jagielka has been hurt but he's also featured in the back fours that have conceded: 3 to Barnsley, 3 to United at home, and 2 to West Brom away. Stones has been improving as a player, but has played 25 of 27 games this season (WBA away and the derby). Maybe he still has a lot of potential, but is not currently a well above average defender. I think he has made big defensive plays this season, Kane during the recent Spurs match springs to mind. Jury is still out on Funes Mori, he's scored important goals but can still look timid and has also featured in some of the worst defensive performances this season.
Galloway did a good job filling in, and Baines has started coming back into form.
Barry and McCarthy have done well, as has Cleverley when healthy. Besic has also played a good role when in the side.
Kone started hot but has looked awful since the Sunderland hat trick. Mirallas has shown flashes but not the player he was in Moyes's last season where he scored 9 goals OR as good as Martinez's first season where he had eight. The whole left side has been up and down.
Barkley has been up and down but still improving...I wonder if he will be able to take over matches the way someone with his technical ability should do.
Deulofeu is another example of starting hot, but I think his peak this season was definitely Boro. Since then he's found it hard to set up Lukaku the same way he did in the first third of the season.
Lukaku has finally developed into the star we thought he'd be, no fault there.
However.
Looking at the sides chasing top four, they seem to have maybe a little more in the side? Teams above us like Palace have managed to grind out results, West Ham have done well away from home (much like us) but have managed to turn draws into three points. Stoke beat us at our place and have pulled off impressive results. Meanwhile, our biggest result this season came in a cup semi-final. Not a big deal if we manage to make it to Wembley (knock on wood) but maybe this is our level until someone in the team decides to show some mental toughness and see out those games in which we've dropped two points late on. With those points (seven from what I saw on Twitter), we'd be in 6th.
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
Does that rag know we're the Catholic club here? How dare they stab our manager in the back.
Bluerover
Player Valuation: £50m
I dislike a lot of their journos for all sorts of reasons (mostly historical), and avoid buying it whether the daily and Sunday editions but can't really disagree with this article!!
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
Diabolical I call it.
I dislike a lot of their journos for all sorts of reasons (mostly historical), and avoid buying it whether the daily and Sunday editions but can't really disagree with this article!!
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