Rumour has it Bobby killed Cock Robin.
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Rumour has it Bobby killed Cock Robin.
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
Oh yeah, I wouldn't confine that comment to this forum. It's all over the place.
It's very odd in that it's not really based on performance or result. This type of constant questioning usually comes about for managers struggling to keep a team's head above water, when in reality this one is flying and everyone accepts that a) it's the best squad (which he built) for decades and that b ) we're playing some of the best attacking football for decades.
I said from the get go when Martinez arrived that his biggest task here was to re-educate Evertonians to learn to embrace the game their own club was synonymous with in the past. That was correct, and it's turning out to be an almighty cultural battle between himself and those of us who see what the vision is on the one hand, and, on the other, those who are struggling against the imposition of that vision and who hark back to the near past and that way of playing the game, and who are determined to find fault with everything that happens.
That's the crux of it.
Little Ralphy
Player Valuation: £15m
In fairness that first goal comes about because we have Oviedo bombing forward to join the attack and he ends up further forward than most, which leaves Jags 1 on 1 with Costa. Teams recognise we leave 1 on 1 and they hit us on the break time and again. Howard is supposed to come out and cover but this time it was a good ball from Fabregas and Costa got their first, after Jags was caught under it.
That's not Oviedo making that decision, that's the manager's style on the side, pushing the full backs on even when 2-0 up away from home. This is why games are so open, and why we can't hold on to a lead.
When Martinez signed Alcaraz he praised the South American style of defending 1 on 1, this is how he's always played it, whereas most managers will have their full backs in place as cover or at least have their second centre back covering. We have the second centre back in a full back position.
This is Martinez' ultimate flaw, we're good going forward, but it's at the detriment to the defensive aspect of the game because we are using our full backs in such advanced positions. He had the same issue at Wigan, and he'll have it everywhere he goes until he changes something. But it's gone on for so long in his career now you have to wonder why he hasn't already changed it.
Perhaps if we pressed the ball more further upfield to allow them time to get back in position, but we don't even do that half the time. Besic has made a difference because he is mobile enough to cover ground and to close down. Without Besic we rarely had anyone tackling.
We are a neutrals dream to watch, with games so open and chances at both ends, but as a supporter we are so frustrating. I honestly wonder what the people asking for patience feel when walking away from the ground. Personally me and pretty much everyone else I know at the game is left feeling very frustrated at not taking 3 points when we should have easily won/seen out the game.
Little Ralphy
Player Valuation: £15m
How come we're 11th then? And have only won 6 league games out of 22. When with lesser squads we finished much higher?
not before the 3 headers he wasn't, any one of those get sorted and he can put a yellow jacket on and stand with the stewards for all the threat he would be.
all moot now though
TheHumbleEgg
Player Valuation: £15m
That's a fair point, we have ZERO divine right to be what some of us think we are already. ARE we even one of the BIG clubs any more? I dunno, depends on the criteria I suppose...
And I totally agree with you also RE him bringing on & developing players. ACES, he's done well...but I think some of us (certainly me) have an issue with the seemingly repetitive nature of mistakes made & tactics gone askew. The attacking stuff is there and clear for all to see. The other is just infuriating...
I noted yesterday - and I think it was davek, if not apols - having a little pop at BAINES. Personally I think he's brought a bit back into the side that was lacking but, y'know, each to their own. I've said before, defensively he's got so much more to work with than he's ever had, prob ever will have, yet he's struggling. And no matter what's said (in ref to the BAINES points y'day) players play to the instruction of the manager, it's that simple. We can field a defensive line of Internationals who don't perform like this when on International duty. (well not often)
You play how you're guided to play and unfortunately our current way doesn't kill games...
And if those who think BAINES was having an inadvertent pop at the manager are right then good, it needs saying sometimes, though I don't necessarily agree with it, but it's good that the players are peeved with their performances. I hope...
I genuinely, GENUINELY hope he (RM) gets it right. And - I'll probably regret saying this - but I'd be GUTTED for him (and us) if the CITY result goes against and we just wind the season down without any real purpose at all because then all the good stuff would have been for nothing and we may as well hang price tags off of the performers...
In the past I've mentioned that I knew some WIGAN fans and a thing that stuck that one said was 'Bob needs to learn to be a [Poor language removed] at times, but he's just not...'.
Maybe so.
So I'm sat here now, mulling over when we're gonna hear '...no, we don't need a replacement for Steven Naismith as LEANDRO RODRIGUEZ has recently come into the 1st team fold...'
Pffff...
Someone should have raked Terry's Achilles five minutes before that so it's our fault. MARTINEZ!
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
You know the answer to that: these players are young and inexperienced for the most part and have let winning positions slip on about 8 occasions. The draws make it look mediocre when in reality theres not much wrong.
Ah woke up have we
TheHumbleEgg
Player Valuation: £15m
Hell yeah! And I woke up with a lil something in my pants for you.
Stanley Parker
Player Valuation: £15m
At least Roberto got one thing right.
Now if Howard had scored a hat trick too...
Stanley Parker
Player Valuation: £15m
You mean win the Cup, of course.
With Roberto, Wigan punched far above their weight.
Cultured right foot
Fuleco multi
Well there is always that. But, I think our focus should be on the lead up to the goal; that's something we can control and work on.
Martinez said himself last week that human error was part of the game, it worked in our favour against City and it destroyed us on Saturday afternoon.
I like Martinez but saying things like 'We won the match on Sarurday' is soft.
Stanley Parker
Player Valuation: £15m
Then what about saying;
We scored three goals at Chelsea and that's enough to win.
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