Roberto Martinez discussion

[zandvoort blue]

It is all opinions your right and your right about out of form players but he has the best squad in years to tinker with surely others could have done a job for it too work.
We play so slowly an allow teams to get back then we are rushed into mistakes another reason our final ball is poor on the whole.
I just hope he changes things round a bit

what changes would you make for West Ham, mate?

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

I don't know what instructions he gives to defenders but I am having way too many anxious moments with defenders dicking around in the penalty area or close to it when the ball needs played away from there quickly.

That nonsense with Howard laying on the ball yesterday and Gibson being caught out being two glaring examples from yesterday.

Watching our team defend at times makes you see how Wigan were perennial relegation fighters under Bobby.

The inferior defenders at Wigan couldn't retrieve desperate situations as readily as ours do.

(well, most the time anyesy )

If you want to play out from the back, then that's the price you have to pay.

He's never going to tell them to hoof it out when it suits, as that'll become the default option,as it's the path of least resistance.

He makes them play it out and occassionaly it'll go pear.

 

[Khalekan]

If you want to play out from the back, then that's the price you have to pay.

He's never going to tell them to hoof it out when it suits, as that'll become the default option,as it's the path of least resistance.

He makes them play it out and occassionaly it'll go pear.

That's a mad policy, then.

Because there are times when a ball just needs laced into Row ZZ.

Too often our guys are put under pressure because they dawdle on the ball near our goal, looking for someone a couple of yards away to pass it to.

But they do hoof it sometimes anyway......most noticeably by Howard at OT where his aimless hoof up the byline was played back into the middle with disastrous consequences.

Then again, I think the point of passing it out from the back is to build an attack, but we are doing it at such a slow pace the opposition have their banks of four in place before we get it near the halfway line and they have two harriers on the defenders building up the "completed pass" statistics on the edge of our box

It needs to be mixed up.....defence can sometimes be quickly turned into attack with a hoof up the pitch.....look at Aguero's first goal for City on Saturday night.

And Howard himself "assisted" Rom at home to the Barcodes last season

 

[Boss_Blue]

That's a mad policy, then.

Because there are times when a ball just needs laced into Row ZZ.

Too often our guys are put under pressure because they dawdle on the ball near our goal, looking for someone a couple of yards away to pass it to.

But they do hoof it sometimes anyway......most noticeably by Howard at OT where his aimless hoof up the byline was played back into the middle with disastrous consequences.

Then again, I think the point of passing it out from the back is to build an attack, but we are doing it at such a slow pace the opposition have their banks of four in place before we get it near the halfway line and they have two harriers on the defenders building up the "completed pass" statistics on the edge of our box

It needs to be mixed up.....defence can sometimes be quickly turned into attack with a hoof up the pitch.....look at Aguero's first goal for City on Saturday night.

And Howard himself "assisted" Rom at home to the Barcodes last season

I imagine that Martinez agrees however the players are struggling when deciding which option to take when under pressure.

 

[Khalekan]

I imagine that Martinez agrees however the players are struggling when deciding which option to take when under pressure.

There was an old adage the coach in my school team and my Zingari team used to tell us.

"If in doubt....put it out...."

Sometimes the ale house tactic is the best one.

 

[arminisgod]

JESUS, we are only 4 points off 4th place.

 

[Boss_Blue]

There was an old adage the coach in my school team and my Zingari team used to tell us.

"If in doubt....put it out...."

Sometimes the ale house tactic is the best one.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

There was an old adage the coach in my school team and my Zingari team used to tell us.

"If in doubt....put it out...."

Sometimes the ale house tactic is the best one.

Are you David Moyes mate?

 

[Khalekan]

Are you David Moyes mate?

ssshhhh.....they banned me under my real name last week.....

 

[penev10]

I remember seeing a stat a while ago something like how long clearances give the ball to the opposition more times than not and over an average season directly leads to >5 goals conceded. Whereas playing out from the back keeps the ball more times than not and leads to conceding <2 goals a season.

It was dug up after Swansea got caught out a few times playing it across their own box and the pundits latched onto it as a major flaw in their game.

Just some food for thought.

 

[Khalekan]

I remember seeing a stat a while ago something like how long clearances give the ball to the opposition more times than not and over an average season directly leads to >5 goals conceded. Whereas playing out from the back keeps the ball more times than not and leads to conceding <2 goals a season.

It was dug up after Swansea got caught out a few times playing it across their own box and the pundits latched onto it as a major flaw in their game.

Just some food for thought.

I wouldn't dispute those figures and indeed it us sommat I sussed out myself thirty years ago or more.

Nor would I want to see our defenders do it as a matter of firm.

It is just that sometimes...on an add occasion....belting the bugger as far away out the box as you can looks like the most sensible option from where I am sitting.

 

[davek]

I remember seeing a stat a while ago something like how long clearances give the ball to the opposition more times than not and over an average season directly leads to >5 goals conceded. Whereas playing out from the back keeps the ball more times than not and leads to conceding <2 goals a season.

It was dug up after Swansea got caught out a few times playing it across their own box and the pundits latched onto it as a major flaw in their game.

Just some food for thought.

I like that we keep hold of the ball. There's nothing wrong with moving it around and waiting for the opportunity of a more telling pass forward.

However, once we get further forward there needs to be a picking up of the tempo of the passes and movement of our players. We get it forward at the moment and the opposition are easily dealing with us as an attacking force.

 

[royalblue66]

Can't see anything wrong with the odd punt down field, because we are so predicable the way we are playing.

 

[LinekersLegs]

Not the manager of last season.
He needs to change things and get rid of this slow build up that everyone has sussed.
With the biggest squad we have ever had stop playing players out of position and why are rom an ross going backwards.
Not the messiah some on here think he is.
needs to up his game

The only players out of position are playing there because we have limited wing options with Mirallas and Pienaar injured. McGeady can't play every game for 90min on top of his international duties and Atsu hasn't yet looked like he can cope with the physicality of the league. The academy winger Kennedy is out on loan as he didn't really shine in preseason.

Who would you prefer to play on the wing?

 

[hullefc]

Teams have started to press us further up the field and trying to stop us playing out from the back. And that is why we are passing constantly across the back waiting for the opportunity to go forward. However, it is becoming more frequent that it goes back to Howard and he give sit the welly.

I think we need to shake it up. If a team presses us then go long and get them on the back foot. The obvious problem with that is that Lukaku isn't the greatest at judging a ball that comes in the air. Maybe that is why he is working with Dunc to improve that aspect of his game. Because it is next to useless just to punt it forward, one of my biggest criticisms of Moyes, unless we have a forward capable of using/holding the ball up.