Roberto Martinez discussion

[COYBL25]

The damning fact for me is the comparison record to Tony Pulis.

He's doing the exact same job as him but in an opposite style.

I'm a fan of Pulis. He's very good at what he does. But what he's never had is £30-40million players, 20 goals a season strikers, a squad full of internationals etc.

Pullis will never be given the chance to buy £30/40 million players mate, as he is the anti Christ of football. Him and Allardyce are good at keeping struggling teams up with industrial footy. Two seasons later the fans hate what they are still seeing, turn on them and then they move onto another a struggling club. Repeat and rewind.

 

[Zatara]

How is it s like for like change? Niasse is a striker with no experience of the premier league. Lennon is an experienced winger. Moyes used to get absolutely shafted by some fans for playing anyone out of position even if it worked. Martinez started the season with Kone and Cleverley on the flanks (a striker and a central midfielder) whilst Lennon Mirallas and Deulofeu sat on the bench. It hasn't worked, it didn't work last season. In no way is Niasse a like for like swap for Lennon. Left wing is not the place for 13 million pound strikers.

You didnt / dont watch the game(s) then.

 

[Eric Djemba-Djemba]

Pullis will never be given the chance to buy £30/40 million players mate, as he is the anti Christ of football. Him and Allardyce are good at keeping struggling teams up with industrial footy. Two seasons later the fans hate what they are still seeing, turn on them and then they move onto another a struggling club. Repeat and rewind.

Martinez could only dream of being as good as Allardyce was at Bolton.

 

[BlueToff]

@BlueToff

Even the tactical analysis is showing 4-3-1-1 with lennon as support forward (moved inside from the left) so of course niasse played the same position.

that info is freely available in the everton news thread as well.

if you want to say niasse was useless then thats different to the system and tactics.

It was the wrong sub Zat. The stats show very little of how much Lennon was doing for us and providing an out ball. He was harrying Song in the middle of the park forcing him deeper and so he couldn't get on the ball and get it to the wingers.

I'm not saying Niasse did himself or us any favours - he was poor - but I wouldn't hold that against him. It was a naive sub that caught itself between going more attacking and trying to hold firm and in the end did neither.

 

[COYBL25]

Martinez could only dream of being as good as Allardyce was at Bolton.

The same money wasn't in the game at that time mate, you didn't have Sheiks and Oligarchs spunking money all over the place then.

 

[orchard]

"For that Pulis deserves plenty of credit, although he has not done this on his own. Peter Coates, the chairman who knew his decision to bring Pulis back would be unpopular with some supporters, has been the most generous of benefactors, providing the funds to transform the club's training facilities and compete in the transfer market. Stoke's net spend over the past five seasons is not far off £80m. To put that figure into context, only Manchester City and Chelsea have spent more.

Pullis will never be given the chance to buy £30/40 million players mate, as he is the anti Christ of football. Him and Allardyce are good at keeping struggling teams up with industrial footy. Two seasons later the fans hate what they are still seeing, turn on them and then they move onto another a struggling club. Repeat and rewind.

 

[COYBL25]

"For that Pulis deserves plenty of credit, although he has not done this on his own. Peter Coates, the chairman who knew his decision to bring Pulis back would be unpopular with some supporters, has been the most generous of benefactors, providing the funds to transform the club's training facilities and compete in the transfer market. Stoke's net spend over the past five seasons is not far off £80m. To put that figure into context, only Manchester City and Chelsea have spent more.

And Puills will be ultimately moved on and another manager who plays more attractive football will benefit from all this .

 

[orchard]

He's had good money though.

And Puills will be ultimately moved on and another manager who plays more attractive football will benefit from all this .

 

[Bluerover]

I disagree completely with this. I would love to be proven wrong in a huge way, I would love this manager to become the manager i thought he could be, when he inherited a great squad with lots of talent. I would of loved to of been proven wrong at the majority of our home games.
Unfortunatly the reality started to sink in that his first season was pure luck, and the opposition set up to face a Moyes team.
Martinez took them by suprise with attacking football, but they soon learnt how to set up against us and have been doing so ever since.
I would love him to prove me and his critics wrong, I have no problem addmitting when I am wrong and apologising, I would love to say I was wrong about him. I hope we smash city however I think he will set up to score 7 if they score 6

We're playing Chelski mate.

 

[Dymak]

The damning fact for me is the comparison record to Tony Pulis.

He's doing the exact same job as him but in an opposite style.

I'm a fan of Pulis. He's very good at what he does. But what he's never had is £30-40million players, 20 goals a season strikers, a squad full of internationals etc.

Martinez is also being paid a hell of a lot more than Pulis. Pulis doesn't make the list of the top 20 best paid managers in world football, whereas Martinez does. He's the 14th highest paid manager in the world, and the 6th highest paid manager in Britain. We aren't getting what we are paying for at all.

 

[Dymak]

Pullis will never be given the chance to buy £30/40 million players mate, as he is the anti Christ of football. Him and Allardyce are good at keeping struggling teams up with industrial footy. Two seasons later the fans hate what they are still seeing, turn on them and then they move onto another a struggling club. Repeat and rewind.

I feel the same fate awaits Martinez, that he will only manage struggling clubs once Everton have got rid of him. The difference is that Martinez will end up taking those clubs down, like he did with Wigan.

 

[kithnou]

Sorry if already posted as I slept overnight. From another place...

"Couple of pieces in the last 24 hours claiming senior players are unhappy with Martinez...

I'll just leave these pieces of mob journalism here...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football...-faith-in-robert-martinez-ahead-of-crucial/?x

"Telegraph Sport, however, understands that a number of Everton players would like adopt a more savvy approach to trying to protect leads and keep the opposition out. They want to play for a winning team."


http://soccer.nbcsports.com/2016/03...alyzing-the-title-race-with-nine-games-to-go/

"A source recently told ProSoccerTalk that senior players among the Everton dressing room have lost faith in Martinez’s tactics and deem the Spaniard as naive, while another source claims he is not the flavor of the month with the top young talents at the club either."

 

[vagant59]

Have said this many times and I give you the reason again. You should park the bus, bringing on defensive subs to hold onto a 2-0 lead with 15 mins to go not trying to get more goals especially you are a man down. Put all your players behind the ball to defend, ensuring a win.

West Brom managed to defend a 1 goal lead for 60 mins against one of the best attacking teams in the country "apparently"

 

[roydo]

Martinez is also being paid a hell of a lot more than Pulis. Pulis doesn't make the list of the top 20 best paid managers in world football, whereas Martinez does. He's the 14th highest paid manager in the world, and the 6th highest paid manager in Britain. We aren't getting what we are paying for at all.

Pulis was the highest paid manager in the league the year he kept Palace up.

 

[Dymak]

Pulis was the highest paid manager in the league the year he kept Palace up.

I presume he got a fat bonus then? That's a bit different to salary, it's not like his going rate would have been greater than Mourinho's. I like the idea of bonuses, we should offer our next manager a fat bonus for actually getting us into the Champions League.