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Roberto Martinez discussion

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Dave, the fact is, Martinez has spent 7 seasons in this league and only got a team in the top half once.

He took over a team in wigan that finished 8th prior to him taking over, he took them into the league below.

He took over a team in Everton that finished 8th prior to him taking over, hes took us to 12th currently, how low shall we fall until we say enough is enough?

He simply does not know how to Manage a premier league club.

Maybe he should go back to League One and learn his trade?
Do me a favour: outside of the PL wins of Leeds and Blackburn and Liverpool United City Arsenal and Chelsea, tell me how many PL managers have amassed the number of points RM piled up in that first season. I'm not even sure Spurs did it more than once.

As for your point: there's no use using Wigan's season stats, so knock those four off you seven straight away. He's failed once to get top half with us. That's where we stand right now.
 
Do me a favour: outside of the PL wins of Leeds and Blackburn and Liverpool United City Arsenal and Chelsea, tell me how many PL managers have amassed the number of points RM piled up in that first season. I'm not even sure Spurs did it more than once.

As for your point: there's no use using Wigan's season stats, so knock those four off you seven straight away. He's failed once to get top half with us. That's where we stand right now.

1 in 7.

Hes a lower league Manager struggling to adapt to the hardest league in the world.

He would prolly fail at Celtic.
 
However, what's good enough for Wigan may not be good enough for us. For example, a cup win and relegation would be a disaster for us.


And don't forget Wigan makes Uncle Joes Mintballs......
Wigan and an FA cup win is like us winning the CL. That's the enormity of it.
 

In Moyes' last season we finished 6th so Martinez made a massive improvement of 1 place in his first season and since then taken us to 11th and now 12th. Well done you clown.
 
There is no level below the elite that you have to necessarily be at and move to the next level. Did Leicester and West Ham this season need that plateau to move off from? It's all a gloop of nothingness between elite and relegation fodder. One team or two per season breaks from the mess to figure at the top end and trouble the elite. That's the pattern. The only thing consistent 6th and 7th place spots got for us under Moyes was a pat on the head from the patronising pundits. It led to nothing and was leading nowhere.



The number of points is an important benchmark to be set. That's the issue here, not what it didn't get. That now is the total to be surpassed by this club in order to get a sniff of a CL place. If you think it's unimportant staging post then you're wrong. It stands out as a reminder that we can compete to that level and amass that number of points. More-so now it has relevancy, because if there's cash there to boost our competitiveness then there's no excuse never to fail to meet it or run it very close indeed. Moyes took us to 65 points; Martinez to 72 points. Martinez and his successor will have to better that now to progress us on.



Martinez didn't get Swansea to the PL because he never rally had a shot at it. He took them up to the Championship then finished 8th first season there. A very good stage for someone to come in and finish off the job when he got off to Wigan. Talk about damned with faint praise: he gave Swansea a modern history.

These achievements at Swansea and Wigan and his first season at Everton are scoffed at by people who should know better. "Ahh, it was ages ago and it was only a style of play and single promotion/an FA Cup win/it was only 72 points". As if we've had anything remotely like that to shout about from an Everton manager for the past 20 years!

Very blase and arrogant about our real status as a club that's huge but been in the doldrums for way too long to look down its nose at a manager like Roberto, that's for sure.

Ok mate, so premiership points totals matter hugely is what you are saying and they should be used as a barometre of where we are headed

2004-05 38 12 2 5 24 15 6 5 8 21 31 -1 61 4th
2005-06 38 8 4 7 22 22 6 4 9 12 27 -15 50 11th
2006-07 38 11 4 4 33 17 4 9 6 19 19 +16 58 6th
2007-08 38 11 4 4 34 17 8 4 7 21 16 +22 65 5th
2008-09 38 8 6 5 31 20 9 6 4 24 17 +18 63 5th
2009-10 38 11 6 2 35 21 5 7 7 25 28 +11 61 8th
2010-11 38 9 7 3 31 23 4 8 7 20 22 +6 54 7th
2011-12 38 10 3 6 28 15 5 8 6 22 25 +10 56 7th
2012-13 38 12 6 1 33 17 4 9 6 22 23 +15 63 6th
2013-14 38 13 3 3 38 19 8 6 5 23 20 +22 72 5th
2014-15 38 7 7 5 27 21 5 4 10 21 29 -2 47 11th

Their you go last season martinez managed the lowest total by the club over the proceeding 10 years, so yup one great points total and it was followed by the worst points total by this club in 11 years, we havent had a lot to shout about for a long time granted, but last season was the first one in the last 11 that i felt we had a genuine chance to go down in, clap clap Bobby, great job
 
Do me a favour: outside of the PL wins of Leeds and Blackburn and Liverpool United City Arsenal and Chelsea, tell me how many PL managers have amassed the number of points RM piled up in that first season. I'm not even sure Spurs did it more than once.

As for your point: there's no use using Wigan's season stats, so knock those four off you seven straight away. He's failed once to get top half with us. That's where we stand right now.
He failed to get top half in his second season with us after finishing 5th in his first, we now currently sit 12th, surely we should be improving on 5th not getting worse or have I got it the wrong way round?
 
You all realise Martinez doesnt scout the players, right?

So its not like we can give him "credit" for signing all these players, the scouting staff gain that credit, he signed Kone after watching him for 12months, thats how well he can judge a player.

So its not as if hes any use to use as a Director of Football, he has 1 job, to win football matches, to get the squad in a position to win football matches, a job he is failing in.

Just saying.

So you're seriously trying to discredit any positive signing he has ever made? lol

You don't think managers ever watch any games themselves, review footage of any signings recommended by their scouts, ask their scouts to watch certain players etc. I've seen an interview where RM talks about how he watches loads of games in his own time and even has a mini theatre with a big screen in his home. He speaks several languages and has many friends and contacts abroad who'll no doubt recommend he looks at certain players.

Any manager has the final say on signings and they'll watch as many games as they can to evaluate any possible signing, especially ones of any significant importance or financial outlay. It's their neck that's on the line if a signing doesn't work out.

I'm can't believe your post is actually serious but still to even try and post it with any sense of credence is hilarious.
 

It is in that mess of a tournament. It needs scrapping.

Yeah I agree, its the same as the FA Cup, a competition that nobody wants to enter and everybody fields shadow squads.

We played League One Carlise and they played their reserves, every team we have played have played their reserves.
 
So you're seriously trying to discredit any positive signing he has ever made? lol

You don't think managers ever watch any games themselves, review footage of any signings recommended by their scouts, ask their scouts to watch certain players etc. I've seen an interview where RM talks about how he watches loads of games in his own time and even has a mini theatre with a big screen in his home. He speaks several languages and has many friends and contacts abroad who'll no doubt recommend he looks at certain players.

Any manager has the final say on signings and they'll watch as many games as they can to evaluate any possible signing, especially ones of any significant importance or financial outlay. It's their neck that's on the line if a signing doesn't work out.

I'm can't believe your post is actually serious but still to even try and post it with any sense of credence is hilarious.

He doesnt scout players, hes to busy dancing like a t@ at concerts.
 
This is possibly your best yet. Unfortunately, it's just so blatant that you won't get any bites I don't think, but it's beautiful in its' pure insanity.
Any team that competes in that thing without a massive squad will come unstuck.

There really is no controversy in that.
 

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