davek
Player Valuation: £150m
Second lowest in that context is like saying that Moshiri is the second richest shareholder/director Everton have ever had. The chasm is enormous.
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davek
Player Valuation: £150m
Saint Domingo
Player Valuation: £90m
Look at the season as a whole. We have the worst home defensive record in Europe's major top flight leagues. I'd say yes, something is fundamentally wrong.
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
Absolutely spot on mate.
...and watch the 1000 responses dwindle to sweet FA if we turn Chelsea over on Saturday.
Saint Domingo
Player Valuation: £90m
Same mate, in fact no Europa so it's a win for 17th
njligernj
Player Valuation: £15m
I would have expected better results for a lot of Martinez's decisions this year -- even the ones I disagreed with. Regardless of this debate at large I don't think he's been handed any favours by fate.
Doesn't mean you can't fire someone just because they ran -EV but I'd factor it into my decision if my decision made any damn difference.
Everton are a weird club for hiring managers -- almost any manager we'd hire is either taking a step up or a step down which means adjustment v. most clubs that can say "should we go for someone proven with a club like us or not?"
Doesn't mean you can't fire someone just because they ran -EV but I'd factor it into my decision if my decision made any damn difference.
Everton are a weird club for hiring managers -- almost any manager we'd hire is either taking a step up or a step down which means adjustment v. most clubs that can say "should we go for someone proven with a club like us or not?"
Saint Domingo
Player Valuation: £90m
Play fair mate. After the Bounemouth result Chico and Mouts Goat were on here (with Davek) throwing a victory parade demanding bizarre surrenders from posters who hold reservations about Martinez. Telling everyone that the war was over and victory was theirs.
If you want to see the balance of views on this forum I think the Martinez in or out poll will paint a different picture.
Locusts? I prefer 'plotterz' mate.
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
As I posted before mate, this defensive catastrophe argument all but stopped before last saturday. I see it as opportunistic and scaremongering. The stats are that since the New Year we've conceded 15 in 15 games. Not outrageously great, but not bad.
When is enough enough? If we spiral toward 14th 15th and finish there he'll be gone. But we have enough about us to climb the table and that'll settle it. The cup will complicate things too. regardless of PL position drifting further downward, if we make Wembley it'll be a hard call to call time on a manager who's got us into two cup SFs (or even more than that).
In short: RM wont be getting the push anytime soon, imo.
Whistlin' Dixie
Player Valuation: £50m
Nope. You'll still be hearing 'Martinez Out!' from this little corner - win, lose or draw.
Another thing; you've said that after the majority of games this season and I'm yet to see any evidence to corroborate it. All's I see is wins followed by abject defeats....And you spouting the same guff time after time...
And leicester are even further clear btw...
mkrudden
Player Valuation: £40m
lol
For one season and then led us to finish around 6th or 7th in nearly every season after. The football was dire but it was effective at times.
I know, I know. Who wants to finish near 6th or 7th when we could have the majesty that comes with finishing 12th under Martinez.
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
15 games - 15 goals conceded (and 26 scored). Count them.
bluestevon
Player Valuation: £80m
Fair enough will go one better than that then Dave
1994-95 42 8 9 4 31 23 3 8 10 13 28 -7 50 15th
1995-96 38 10 5 4 35 19 7 5 7 29 25 +20 61 6th
1996-97 38 7 4 8 24 22 3 8 8 20 35 -13 42 15th
1997-98 38 7 5 7 25 27 2 8 9 16 29 -15 40 17th
1998-99 38 6 8 5 22 12 5 2 12 20 35 -7 43 14th
1999-2k 38 7 9 3 36 19 5 5 9 23 28 +12 50 13th
2000-01 38 6 8 5 29 27 5 1 13 16 32 -14 42 16th
2001-02 38 8 4 7 26 23 3 6 10 19 34 -12 43 15th
2002-03 38 11 5 3 28 19 6 3 10 20 30 -1 59 7th
2003-04 38 8 5 6 27 20 1 7 11 18 37 -12 39 17th
2004-05 38 12 2 5 24 15 6 5 8 21 31 -1 61 4th
2005-06 38 8 4 7 22 22 6 4 9 12 27 -15 50 11th
2006-07 38 11 4 4 33 17 4 9 6 19 19 +16 58 6th
2007-08 38 11 4 4 34 17 8 4 7 21 16 +22 65 5th
2008-09 38 8 6 5 31 20 9 6 4 24 17 +18 63 5th
2009-10 38 11 6 2 35 21 5 7 7 25 28 +11 61 8th
2010-11 38 9 7 3 31 23 4 8 7 20 22 +6 54 7th
2011-12 38 10 3 6 28 15 5 8 6 22 25 +10 56 7th
2012-13 38 12 6 1 33 17 4 9 6 22 23 +15 63 6th
2013-14 38 13 3 3 38 19 8 6 5 23 20 +22 72 5th
2014-15 38 7 7 5 27 21 5 4 10 21 29 -2 47 11th
our records since 1995, now tell me amongst which group of managers would martinez look right at home with given his last season and this seasons points totals?
I don't even like the bloke at all, but Moyes took over a team looking like it was going down and got them to safety in 15th, next season took that team from 15th to 7th, had a terrible following season then rebounded back with our best ever premiership finish - and one that even saint bobby failed to do by getting 4th!
Moyes took over a team that was constantly battling the drop and in a total mess and turned them into one that was top 6, martinez took over a team in top 6 and is taking us the opposite direction, both of them had one blip season, Moyes in 03/04 when he flirted with relegation, Martinez in 13/14 when he flirted with top 4, both aberrations
Saint Domingo
Player Valuation: £90m
Was it though? Or did Arteta Pienaar Osman Baines Cahill Yakubu Donovan Coleman and Mirallas actually serve up some pretty decent stuff? Including at one point one of the best left hand sides in the prem.
Last season was the definition of dire football. Worse than anything I ever saw Moyes serve up.
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
There is something fundamental wrong: it's the home form. That's the blackhole. Cups and PL away form are very good.
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