Roberto Martinez Shenanigans: All Reaction Here

[Ihaters]

Martinez, will bring passing , attacking football no doubt but he will be blessed with the defensive mentality already established within the team, backroom and coaches. How can anyone have major concerns that we will go from a solid defensive team to that likened to Wigan??? disrespectful to ourselves and our players, I am sure Jags / Distin and even Heitinga will argue that debate.

Martinez, I am happy for you to come and will get behind you....

The problem is not with the players though, if your playing a high line against a quick striker, with no defensive midfielder and your wing backs are both flying forwards at the same time, you are doomed to concede goals with ease.

Single long ball and they are behind you and one on one with the keeper.

 

[Brennan]

Think about this, when Martinez took Wigan over did they have a team that was better or worse than Everton when Moyes took over 11 years ago?
After 4 years in charge, where did Everton finish? We all know Wigan were relegated.

Moyes had a hell of a lot more money to spend in those four years, to be fair.

 

[Allezfan]

Moyes had a hell of a lot more money to spend in those four years, to be fair.

In terms of actual money, not really, because of inflation.

In terms of percentage of the money spent in the league Moyes spent 3% to Martinez 2%. The season we finished 4th, we spent less than any other team in the league, something which Martinez has never done, even this year he outspent reading.

 

[Get_Jo_On]

Moyes had a hell of a lot more money to spend in those four years, to be fair.

He also had a right wedge selling Valencia to United. I don't think Moyes was really flashing the cash either.

 

[Allezfan]

He also had a right wedge selling Valencia to United. I don't think Moyes was really flashing the cash either.

Moyes inherited a team that finished 15th, martinez 11th. After three years Moyes had us 4th and Martinez had wigan 15th.

Okay Moyes first full season he spent 37.95 million (wages and net transfers combined), which was the 12th most and finished 7th. This was in a season where all 20 teams spent 860 million so he spent 4.4% of the total money.

His second season he spent 34.65 million which was the 10th most and finished 17th. This was in a season where all 20 teams spent 1002.606 million so he spent 3.45% of the total money.

His third season he spent 10.6 million which was the 20th most, less than every other team in the league, and finished 4th. This was in a season where all 20 teams spent 899.725 million so he spent 1.17% of the total money.

In Martinez's first season he spent 23.7 million which was the 19th most and finish 16th. This was in a season where all 20 teams spent 1401.202 million so he spent 1.69% of the total money.

In his second season he spent 47.3 million which was the 15th most and finished 16th. This was in a season where all 20 teams spent 1798.825 so he spent 2.62% of the total money.

In his third season he spent 36 million which was the 19th most and finished 15th. This was in a season where all 20 teams spent 1817.55 million so he spent 1.9% of the total money.

So in Moyes first three seasons he spent an average of 3.0% of the leagues total and finished 7th, 17th and 4th.

In Martinez' first three seasons he spent an average of 2.07% of the leagues total and finished 16th, 16th and 15th.

 

[Azzurri]

Wages, lids.

 

[Allezfan]

Wages, lids.

My stats combine wages and transfers, mate.

 

[Goat]

We shouldnt really be comparing Moyes to Martinez, its not really fair on Martinez, Moyes operates in a different league.

 

[bluelife]

BOBBY MARTINEZ, HE WINS WHEN HE WANTS

 

[hktoffee]

I wish I knew why so many of our fans only count away games as real.

How many points you get from winning an away game - 3 points
How many points you get from winning the so-called "Big 4" - 3 points
How many points you get from winning sh1te like Wigan - 3 points

Getting results against the so-called "Big 4" does not give you more points. If you can't beat the like of Reading and QPR at home you deserve to go down.

 

[Billy Dean]

Moyes inherited a team that finished 15th, martinez 11th. After three years Moyes had us 4th and Martinez had wigan 15th.

Okay Moyes first full season he spent 37.95 million (wages and net transfers combined), which was the 12th most and finished 7th. This was in a season where all 20 teams spent 860 million so he spent 4.4% of the total money.

His second season he spent 34.65 million which was the 10th most and finished 17th. This was in a season where all 20 teams spent 1002.606 million so he spent 3.45% of the total money.

His third season he spent 10.6 million which was the 20th most, less than every other team in the league, and finished 4th. This was in a season where all 20 teams spent 899.725 million so he spent 1.17% of the total money.

In Martinez's first season he spent 23.7 million which was the 19th most and finish 16th. This was in a season where all 20 teams spent 1401.202 million so he spent 1.69% of the total money.

In his second season he spent 47.3 million which was the 15th most and finished 16th. This was in a season where all 20 teams spent 1798.825 so he spent 2.62% of the total money.

In his third season he spent 36 million which was the 19th most and finished 15th. This was in a season where all 20 teams spent 1817.55 million so he spent 1.9% of the total money.

So in Moyes first three seasons he spent an average of 3.0% of the leagues total and finished 7th, 17th and 4th.

In Martinez' first three seasons he spent an average of 2.07% of the leagues total and finished 16th, 16th and 15th.

so you could say that Martinez also overachieves with the resources given, just to a lesser extent than Moyes?

 

[blueboy1664]

The problem is not with the players though, if your playing a high line against a quick striker, with no defensive midfielder and your wing backs are both flying forwards at the same time, you are doomed to concede goals with ease.

Single long ball and they are behind you and one on one with the keeper.

We have one of the best defensive midfielders in Fellaini.
We have a centre back set up than not only reads the game well but are very mobile..

Good players will learn to develop a working system with ease, we deffo have the players to adjust.
Every team or manager will have to change something they offer as will Moyes moving to United.

I am confident that Martinez will get the best formation with the players he has at his disposal. A new manager is coming in to a successful set up, a successful manager will be able to make things work and work to their strengths...

IMO we have players who can move away from Moyes 4,5,1 or ,4,4,1,1

Successful formations are easier to adapt with a better quality of player and the players we have obviously offer flexibility as it was a character Moyes liked in his buys. Players who can do a job in various roles...

 

[Goat]

BOBBY MARTINEZ, HE WINS WHEN HE WANTS

Serious question, has he EVER won 2 games on the trot?

 

[Brennan]

In terms of actual money, not really, because of inflation.

In terms of percentage of the money spent in the league Moyes spent 3% to Martinez 2%. The season we finished 4th, we spent less than any other team in the league, something which Martinez has never done, even this year he outspent reading.

Everton net spend in Moyes' first four years: £14.5m
Wigan net spend in Martinez's first four years: -£11.7m

What's inflation got to do with that ?

 

[Ihaters]

I wanted a manager who'd proved himself capable of winning trophies with a team massively outspent by their competitors.

That's why I kept naming guys like Giroud or Sampaoli or Simeone and swerving the likes of Hughes and Benitez.

Martinez fits that category, can't ask for more than that.

That's the thing isn't it.. He's very black and white in the pro's and con's columns, very little grey. He has won silverware, with a team that shouldn't of won anything... He's got relegated with a team that should of stayed up.
He attacks well
Defends poorly
Good in cups? Once
Good in the premier league? not so far

I am happy with him in, providing Moyes strengths can cover Martinez's weaknesses in the short term, and Moyes weaknesses will be removed by Martinez's strengths.
I worry we will be left though, with just Martinez being Martinez and throwing away points by ignoring one end of the pitch.

I hope its simply because he could afford decent defenders so tried to make up for it by scoring more than the opposition, doesn't seem likely though.