I would find a way imagine him and kane
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DrEFC
Player Valuation: £40m
the park end hate him
deipnosophist
Player Valuation: £80m
Good player (very good)...but he looks burned-out at the moment. Need our new signing to give him a break.
I put this together for another thread and it is not intended as a dig against Rom. I love him and want him to stay. But it does raise questions about his effectiveness in a single striker role. Especially when not paired with someone like Kone to draw central defensive attention away from him:
http://www.soccerbase.com/players/player.sd?player_id=56521
Lukaku - 20 goals, 16 in the league (in 26) , 4 in cup games - ( in 6 )
But lets really get at it why don't we. It is goals per minutes played together that will give us a good idea if Lukaku plays better in terms of scoring with Kone on the pitch.
LEAGUE
Game : Score : Goals w/Kone : Minutes with Kone : Goals w/o Kone : Minutes w/o Kone : Kone impact
Watford : 2-2 : 0 : 37 : 0 : 63 : Kone comes on as sub in 63 minute and scores the tying goal
Southhampton : 3-0 : 2 : 80 : 0 : 10 : Kone Assists on one of Lukaku's goals
Man City : 0-2 : 0 : 64 : 0 : 26 : Subbed by Naismith at 64
Spurs : 0-0 : 0 : 84 : 0 : 6 : Subbed by GD at 84
Chelsea : 3-1 : 0 : 72 : 0 : 18 : Subbed by Lennon at 72
Swansea : 0-0 : 0 : 65 : 0 : 25 : Subbed by GD at 65
WBA : 3-2 : 1 : 18 : 1 : 72 : Subbed for Naismith, Scored Tying Goal at 75
Liverpool : 1-1 : 0 : 11 : 1 : 79 : Subbed for Naismith at 79
Man United : 0-3 : 0 : 0 : 0 : 90 : DNP
Arsenal : 1-2 : 0 : 5 : 0 : 89 : Subbed for Coleman at 89 (5 minutes w/extra)
Sunderland : 6-2 : 1 : 78 : 0 : 0 : Kone with hatrick by 76, Lukaku subbed at 78
West Ham : 1-1 : 1 : 64 : 0 : 26 : Subbed By Mirallas at 64
Aston Villa : 4-0 : 2 : 90 : 0 : 0 : Played full 90
Bournemouth : 3-3 : 1 : 90 : 0 : 2 : Played essentially full 90 subbed at 97 after Barkleys goal
Crystal Palace : 1-1 : 1 : 90 : 0 : 0 : Played full 90
Norwich : 1-1 : 1 : 90 : 0 : 0 : Played full 90
Leicester City : 2-3 : 1 : 74 : 0 : 16 : Subbed by Mirallas at 74
Newcastle : 1-0 : 0 : 0 : 0 : 90 : DNP
Stoke : 3-4 : 2 : 90 : 0 : 0 : Played full 90
Spurs : 1-1 : 0 : 60 : 0 : 30 : Subbed by Besic at 60
Man City : 0-0 : 0 : 19 : 0 : 71 : Subbed for Osman at 71
Chelsea : 3-3 : 0 : 0 : 0 : 90 : DNP
Swansea : 1-2 : 0 : 0 : 0 : 90 : DNP
Newcastle : 3-0 : 0 : 0 : 0 : 45 : Kone subbed for injured Lukaku at 45
Stoke : 3-0 : 0 : 0 : 1 : 76 : Kone subbed for Lukaku at 76 (Lukaku scores a Penalty made by Barkley, Oviedo, Clev)
WBA : 0-1 : 0 : 32 : 0 : 58 : Kone subbed for Clev at 58
TOTAL LEAGUE : : 13 : 1213 : 3 : 1072 :
: : min/Goal W/Kone : 93.3 : min/Goal w/o Kone : 357.3 :
Cup
Game : Score : Goals w/Kone : Minutes with Kone : Goals w/o Kone : Minutes w/o Kone : Kone impact
Barnsley : 5-3 : 0 : 0 : 2 : 120 : DNP
Reading : 0-0 : 0 : 45 : 0 : 45 : Subbed by Barry at 45
Norwich : 1-1 : 0 : 62 : 0 : 58 : Subbed at 62: Everton advance on penalties
Middlesbrough : 2-0 : 0 : 0 : 1 : 86 : DNP; Lukaku subbed at 86 by Naismith
Man City (H) : 2-1 : 0 : 0 : 1 : 82 : Kone Subbed for Lukaku
D&R : 2-0 : 0 : 0 : 0 : 0 : Lukaku didn't Play, Kone scored first goal.
Man City (A) : 1-3 : 0 : 30 : 0 : 60 : Kone Subbed for GD at 60
Carlisle : 3-0 : 0 : 0 : 0 : 0 : Kone played in his place scored a goal
TOTAL CUPS : : 0 : 137 : 4 : 451 :
min/Goal W/Kone 0.0 min/Goal w/o Kone 112.8
ALL COMPS : : 13 : 1350 : 7 : 1523 :
: : min/Goal W/Kone : 103.8 : min/Goal w/o Kone : 217.6 :
OK to summarize as I can tell your Math needs a little remediation:
Lukaku's Minutes per Goal with Kone ON the pitch:
All comps
1 Goal every 103.8 minutes
League Games:
1 Goal every 93.3 minutes
Cup Games:
Has not scored with Kone on the pitch in 137 Total Minutes over 8 games
Lukaku's Minutes per Goal with Kone NOT on the pitch:
All comps
1 Goal every 217.6 minutes
League Games:
1 Goal every 357.3 minutes (take away the penalty and his goals from open play is 1 in 536 minutes)
Cup Games:
1 Goal every 112.8 minutes
More facts
- In Cup Games RM has not generally played them together, Rom's Strength and skills allow him to dominate what is generally lower level competition and STILL his strike rate is lower in the cup games. In league games it isn't even close how much more effective Rom is in terms of scoring goals from open play as opposed to without Kone.
- Kone made a massive difference against WBA in the first league Game.
- In the league Lukaku scores 3.8 x's as many goals per minute with Kone on the pitch than off (take away the penalty and it is 5.7 x's as many goals) Not a flattering stat for Lukaku
Him being knackered could account for some of his dip in form but I also think his isolation is hurting as well.
http://www.soccerbase.com/players/player.sd?player_id=56521
Lukaku - 20 goals, 16 in the league (in 26) , 4 in cup games - ( in 6 )
But lets really get at it why don't we. It is goals per minutes played together that will give us a good idea if Lukaku plays better in terms of scoring with Kone on the pitch.
LEAGUE
Game : Score : Goals w/Kone : Minutes with Kone : Goals w/o Kone : Minutes w/o Kone : Kone impact
Watford : 2-2 : 0 : 37 : 0 : 63 : Kone comes on as sub in 63 minute and scores the tying goal
Southhampton : 3-0 : 2 : 80 : 0 : 10 : Kone Assists on one of Lukaku's goals
Man City : 0-2 : 0 : 64 : 0 : 26 : Subbed by Naismith at 64
Spurs : 0-0 : 0 : 84 : 0 : 6 : Subbed by GD at 84
Chelsea : 3-1 : 0 : 72 : 0 : 18 : Subbed by Lennon at 72
Swansea : 0-0 : 0 : 65 : 0 : 25 : Subbed by GD at 65
WBA : 3-2 : 1 : 18 : 1 : 72 : Subbed for Naismith, Scored Tying Goal at 75
Liverpool : 1-1 : 0 : 11 : 1 : 79 : Subbed for Naismith at 79
Man United : 0-3 : 0 : 0 : 0 : 90 : DNP
Arsenal : 1-2 : 0 : 5 : 0 : 89 : Subbed for Coleman at 89 (5 minutes w/extra)
Sunderland : 6-2 : 1 : 78 : 0 : 0 : Kone with hatrick by 76, Lukaku subbed at 78
West Ham : 1-1 : 1 : 64 : 0 : 26 : Subbed By Mirallas at 64
Aston Villa : 4-0 : 2 : 90 : 0 : 0 : Played full 90
Bournemouth : 3-3 : 1 : 90 : 0 : 2 : Played essentially full 90 subbed at 97 after Barkleys goal
Crystal Palace : 1-1 : 1 : 90 : 0 : 0 : Played full 90
Norwich : 1-1 : 1 : 90 : 0 : 0 : Played full 90
Leicester City : 2-3 : 1 : 74 : 0 : 16 : Subbed by Mirallas at 74
Newcastle : 1-0 : 0 : 0 : 0 : 90 : DNP
Stoke : 3-4 : 2 : 90 : 0 : 0 : Played full 90
Spurs : 1-1 : 0 : 60 : 0 : 30 : Subbed by Besic at 60
Man City : 0-0 : 0 : 19 : 0 : 71 : Subbed for Osman at 71
Chelsea : 3-3 : 0 : 0 : 0 : 90 : DNP
Swansea : 1-2 : 0 : 0 : 0 : 90 : DNP
Newcastle : 3-0 : 0 : 0 : 0 : 45 : Kone subbed for injured Lukaku at 45
Stoke : 3-0 : 0 : 0 : 1 : 76 : Kone subbed for Lukaku at 76 (Lukaku scores a Penalty made by Barkley, Oviedo, Clev)
WBA : 0-1 : 0 : 32 : 0 : 58 : Kone subbed for Clev at 58
TOTAL LEAGUE : : 13 : 1213 : 3 : 1072 :
: : min/Goal W/Kone : 93.3 : min/Goal w/o Kone : 357.3 :
Cup
Game : Score : Goals w/Kone : Minutes with Kone : Goals w/o Kone : Minutes w/o Kone : Kone impact
Barnsley : 5-3 : 0 : 0 : 2 : 120 : DNP
Reading : 0-0 : 0 : 45 : 0 : 45 : Subbed by Barry at 45
Norwich : 1-1 : 0 : 62 : 0 : 58 : Subbed at 62: Everton advance on penalties
Middlesbrough : 2-0 : 0 : 0 : 1 : 86 : DNP; Lukaku subbed at 86 by Naismith
Man City (H) : 2-1 : 0 : 0 : 1 : 82 : Kone Subbed for Lukaku
D&R : 2-0 : 0 : 0 : 0 : 0 : Lukaku didn't Play, Kone scored first goal.
Man City (A) : 1-3 : 0 : 30 : 0 : 60 : Kone Subbed for GD at 60
Carlisle : 3-0 : 0 : 0 : 0 : 0 : Kone played in his place scored a goal
TOTAL CUPS : : 0 : 137 : 4 : 451 :
min/Goal W/Kone 0.0 min/Goal w/o Kone 112.8
ALL COMPS : : 13 : 1350 : 7 : 1523 :
: : min/Goal W/Kone : 103.8 : min/Goal w/o Kone : 217.6 :
OK to summarize as I can tell your Math needs a little remediation:
Lukaku's Minutes per Goal with Kone ON the pitch:
All comps
1 Goal every 103.8 minutes
League Games:
1 Goal every 93.3 minutes
Cup Games:
Has not scored with Kone on the pitch in 137 Total Minutes over 8 games
Lukaku's Minutes per Goal with Kone NOT on the pitch:
All comps
1 Goal every 217.6 minutes
League Games:
1 Goal every 357.3 minutes (take away the penalty and his goals from open play is 1 in 536 minutes)
Cup Games:
1 Goal every 112.8 minutes
More facts
- In Cup Games RM has not generally played them together, Rom's Strength and skills allow him to dominate what is generally lower level competition and STILL his strike rate is lower in the cup games. In league games it isn't even close how much more effective Rom is in terms of scoring goals from open play as opposed to without Kone.
- Kone made a massive difference against WBA in the first league Game.
- In the league Lukaku scores 3.8 x's as many goals per minute with Kone on the pitch than off (take away the penalty and it is 5.7 x's as many goals) Not a flattering stat for Lukaku
Him being knackered could account for some of his dip in form but I also think his isolation is hurting as well.
TrixyStevens
Player Valuation: £35m
Needs a combination of rest and a strike partner up front.
Yes. Replacing Kane I'm not sure, but the two of them together would be an incredibly dangerous front line.
Wow, slagging off Lukaku and then praising Kone in the same post.
bring the ghost on
Player Valuation: £35m
Nah mate, not having that.
He's much more effective when he has another forward taking away a marker, definitely.
I imagine that's the main reason Niasse has been brought in.
Eric Djemba-Djemba
Player Valuation: £60m
He's American tbf.
As I said not meant to slag off Lukaku - Love him - or say Kone is a great player. I think he is the type of player that serves a role that helps Lukaku. Perhaps Niasse will be the type of player that can do both - Help Rom and provide better defensive balance if our DM's are healthy.
I was really just trying to back up an argument that bringing on Kone v WBA was a logical Plan B with some facts to back it up (a plan B that didn't work mind you).
I was a bit surprised by the numbers Lukaku does seem to produce more with Gerry on the right and Kone (or someone) to help occupy a Central Defender. I guess that would only make sense, but maybe it causes us to be more exposed defensively.
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