Ronald Koeman discussion

[Professor Toffee]

Really surprised by the guy's clumsy and unskillful managerial decisions to date. It's now a long row back for from those comments he made regarding Lukaku being too good for this team. To have compounded that by inferring, at this point in the season and in a decent enough league position, that a larger part of the squad have no future here is simply staggering. I just can't see how he will turn this around. Today him calling for confidence from the players rings mighty hollow.

He speaks a lot but says nothing helpful

 

[riddick]

And we might win a few games over the next month or so... Differentiate a bad run of form with a complete collapse. Apart from Chelsea we've still been competitive in games.

Ok, simple question then: what's our "system"? Koeman keeps saying he wants to bring in players to fit "his way of playing", from what you've seen, what is it?

 

[kenada_blue]

The fact we spent £28m on Bolasie (good player but not worth that), and where willing to spend £30m on the trumpet Sissoko is concrete evidence of that.

And eying Depay (who has shown zero in the premier league) like he's someone that will help.

 

[Tony Hibbert's 3rd leg]

I mean it's affecting the performance and results by telling the players they are awful, but they are that awful. Doesn't matter if you try and motivate these players, Martinez seemingly did until his last day and that got him know where.

He should be firing them up yes. But it appears the players are so bad that he just doesn't care until he gets the players he wants. Not very good for us, I know. But his body language said it all today, he wasn't animated because he expected this performance. Again, I stress this is am appalling way to go about it but it highlights the disparancy in the squad.

 

[dannyboy]

Different manager needed it's just putting off the inevitable Lukaku will be gone in January!

You'd have a different manager every time the team has a rough patch though. Always blow everything out of proportion completely.

With your approach Moyes would've been gone after 03/04.

 

[Professor Toffee]

Ok, simple question then: what's our "system"? Koeman keeps saying he wants to bring in players to fit "his way of playing", from what you've seen, what is it?

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[dannyboy]

Ok, simple question then: what's our "system"? Koeman keeps saying he wants to bring in players to fit "his way of playing", from what you've seen, what is it?

I've not seen anything in the way of a system right now. It's not great, willing to give him time to sort it out though.

 

[Joey66]

You'd have a different manager every time the team has a rough patch though. Always blow everything out of proportion completely.

With your approach Moyes would've been gone after 03/04.

This guy is worse than Moyes he's Walter or even Mike Walker!
He looks totally disinterested IMO!

 

[Darth Toffeeman]

I most certainly can deny it, Toff.

Toff....please stop it.

Stop blaming the fans.

We are not "quick to turn on a new boss".

For goodness sake Bobby was still carrying a critical mass of fans until March of this year.

That was because Bobby had bought himself a great deal of good will on the back of the Camelot season, the good run in Europe, the exhilarating style of the football we were witnessing last autumn.....and crucially, because he tapped into the Evertonian ethos and actually felt privileged to manage our great and beloved club.

This fellow, on the other hand, is serving up utter garbage on the field and strikes a devil may care pose about our club off it.

It is starting to grate with people.

But none of that would matter if we were getting results.

Which we palpably are not.

7 points from 30.

With home games against Arsenal and Liverpool preceding a trip to Leicester.

There is no fan base in the world would sit patiently by in these circumstances and not voice their concerns or vent their fury.

In fact....far from being a fanbase which you have "never known" to be ready to "turn on a new boss" we are actually being quite patient with Mr. Koeman.

The Kopites had hounded, or all but hounded, Hodgson out the door by this stage of his first and only season, following a six game losing streak.

United fans were already baying for Wee Davey's blood by December.

Spurs fans had Juande Ramos gone and Arry in by the October if memory serves.

And Chelsea fans "turned" on Rafael before he even led the team out for his first match in charge.

Are Evertonians less passionate about their clubs than these other fans are?

I think not, Toff.

Are we more patient and tolerant than them?

You bet we are.....by a long, long way.

Which is why this rising discontent among our fans is both understandable and quite justified.

The guy does not seem up to it right now......and that should be of great concern to every last man, woman and child in Evertonia.

Great post.

 

[nsno-chris]

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[JonS]

Really surprised by the guy's clumsy and unskillful managerial decisions to date. It's now a long row back for from those comments he made regarding Lukaku being too good for this team. To have compounded that by inferring, at this point in the season and in a decent enough league position, that a larger part of the squad have no future here is simply staggering. I just can't see how he will turn this around. Today him calling for confidence from the players rings mighty hollow.

The decision I find most baffling is the failure to play Davies and Holgate (and have other youngsters in the match squad) WHEN THE MAIN TEAM ARE NOT PERFORMING.

It may be that this alone makes ne think he lacks the judgement to do a good job

 

[4737carlin]

The decision I find most baffling is the failure to play Davies and Holgate (and have other youngsters in the match squad) WHEN THE MAIN TEAM ARE NOT PERFORMING.

It may be that this alone makes ne think he lacks the judgement to do a good job

I am questioning his judgment, all i can think of is he only cares what they show in training but not on the pitch.

 

[kenada_blue]

To be fair he hit the nail on the head in his post match interview. Players Too passive. No intensity. But should have made the necessary changes during the match to increase the intensity. So in truth his own performance was too passive.

Don't buy it.

He set out a negative side with 7 defenders. We played direct football. We went 1 up.

A team of defensive players are not going to control a game at 1 up. What they will do is defend to keep hold of a lead.

That's what happened.

The team was negative. The reaction is negative.

For his detriment Martinez was the opposite. He was stupidly positive against everyone to a point that the penny dropped and the players felt it wasnt working.

This takes longer to suss out when things have been positive as there's something to aspire too. When things are negative, players turn quicker as there's nothing to hang on to.

 

[bflefc]

The decision I find most baffling is the failure to play Davies and Holgate (and have other youngsters in the match squad) WHEN THE MAIN TEAM ARE NOT PERFORMING.

It may be that this alone makes ne think he lacks the judgement to do a good job

This

 

[Joey66]

The decision I find most baffling is the failure to play Davies and Holgate (and have other youngsters in the match squad) WHEN THE MAIN TEAM ARE NOT PERFORMING.

It may be that this alone makes ne think he lacks the judgement to do a good job

Cleverly on the bench after last weeks dire performance????