Ronald Koeman discussion

[Eggs]

The next run of games will see us drop into the bottom six IMO we are in the crap the negative team selections are worryng IMO!

...I don't think it matters who he picks, Joey, the end result is still the same. My concern is that he's not getting the best out of a group of footballers even if they are not the players he wants.

For me, he's decided this lot are not good enough and he's giving up on them. I'd prefer him to be getting the best out of who he has and changing to who he wants over time.

 

[MikeH72]

Alexis Sanchez will be running at Funes Mori and Williams in approximately 76 hours time

 

[Tony Hibbert's 3rd leg]

Koeman's bad run of games are worrying. No denying it's been terrible recently. But the scenario I can picture is that Koeman has let most of the squad know they do not have a long term future here.

We should be doing better, playing better. But most of the squad are playing like they know they are gone and are just picking up a wage. They don't look like they want to play, they look scared to for fear of taking responsibility, and unfortunately the youngsters that are eager aren't getting in the team.

Our squad is no better than Southampton's. I presume Koeman was sold the promise of backing. This will take a few windows, and enduring the the slow change will be a nightmare, but perhaps it will be worth it. We have a middle table squad, do not sugar coat it, do not look at the past, look what we have now, there are 7/8 teams better than we are.

We need 5/6 first team signings in January to actually see change. I agree that the likes of Davies and Holgate should be getting a run in, but look at the squad other than that, it's not going to get us to the level of performance expected. Holgate and Davies alone won't change our fortunes. Neither can Koeman or many other managers with the current players we have.

Moshiri and Walsh should be under the most scrutiny in January. We have to rid of the bad players and poor mentalities completely. This season will be a drag, perhaps worse than expected. But going through managers like hot dinners will be a disaster. Koeman is under pressure, make no mistake. He knows his credentials are on the line, and this job will make or break him.

 

[riddick]

...I don't think it matters who he picks, Joey, the end result is still the same. My concern is that he's not getting the best out of a group of footballers even if they are not the players he wants.

For me, he's decided this lot are not good enough and he's giving up on them. I'd prefer him to be getting the best out of who he has and changing to who he wants over time.

100% my point. I don't care he needs 2-3 Windows to get HIS players in, he isnt doing ANYTHING with the ones we have right now at the moment.

 

[ToffeeTim]

Look, I am not buying this business about players not playing for him and wanting him out.

It looked to today like Del threw the head up and decided to play his own way.....which was the only bright spot today.

He almost dragged us back into the match.

The way he did at Wembley.

Del is by far our mist skilful player IMO.

His performance in that second half today was screaming at Koeman to give his free rein in the next game.

Sorry Tim, this is now down to clueless leadership in the dugout.

These players are not as bad as the results suggest.

7 points in 30.......what a joke.

I don't think managerial change will necessarily help. These players are beyond redemption to me. They don't deserve the privilege of pulling on the shirt.

Koeman obviously needs to do better. And if he was to lose the next then he deserves to go. But ultimately we need new players. Better players. And to overhaul all the mediocrity that surrounds our off field dealings.

 

[Joey66]

...I don't think it matters who he picks, Joey, the end result is still the same. My concern is that he's not getting the best out of a group of footballers even if they are not the players he wants.

For me, he's decided this lot are not good enough and he's giving up on them. I'd prefer him to be getting the best out of who he has and changing to who he wants over time.

This guy is Walter smith mk 2 I am telling you I do not want him at our club he stands there not bothered his team selections we are beat before we get in the pitch he needs the boot sorry he is out of his depth!

 

[kenada_blue]

...I don't think it matters who he picks, Joey, the end result is still the same. My concern is that he's not getting the best out of a group of footballers even if they are not the players he wants.

For me, he's decided this lot are not good enough and he's giving up on them. I'd prefer him to be getting the best out of who he has and changing to who he wants over time.

This all day long.

And January can easily end up being a mess of over priced panic buys with mediocre players.

 

[bluestevon]

...I don't think it matters who he picks, Joey, the end result is still the same. My concern is that he's not getting the best out of a group of footballers even if they are not the players he wants.

For me, he's decided this lot are not good enough and he's giving up on them. I'd prefer him to be getting the best out of who he has and changing to who he wants over time.

There is a striking simularity with his time at Valecia atm for me, he took over the squad and by all accounts deemed several/a lot of the established players as not good enoguh and mad eno bones in saying so, the players basically downed tools on him after it for the season, i think he has absolutely zero man management skills which can go ok when things are going well, but soon as you hit some rocks and you need that then it is gonna snowball into more and more players disliking him - christ he even fell out semi publically with several saints players, mane and tadic being two of them

 

[LinekersLegs]

Yup, we aren't 5-6 games in now, we are closing in on half a season, and there is zero sign of any player progressing, of any actual style being implemented, or system.

The latest thing is saying he can't play his system because the players arent capable, hmmm ok but i can guarantee that if Klopp or Conte would have taken over then these self same players would be actually playing a system by now, and if not they would be no where near the first team

klopp for starters has shown that you can get bang average players to go out and 'put a shift in' its about the coaching, Koeman doesn't seem capable of coaching a player to play the system he wants, he needs to buy the ready made player, which is absolutely disturbing as hell.

He looked out by taking over a Pocc team that was immenesly fit and used to the style of pressing - and yes he replaced 2-3 players - but as he has previously said himself he doesnt get involved in buying players which means that the aints DoF, went out there and bought replacements who already could play a high intensity game, evidence suggests Koeman isn't capable of teaching it if its not already part of the player

The particularly worrying thing is that most of the players he got in that presumably fit his style (Williams, Stek and Bolasie before his injury) were also not progressing, if anything getting worse by the week.

Thankfully Gana is still playing well but found his substitution a bit odd today unless he was injured as there were others playing worse.

 

[dannyboy]

This guy is Walter smith mk 2 I am telling you I do not want him at our club he stands there not bothered his team selections we are beat before we get in the pitch he needs the boot sorry he is out of his depth!

He's been here 4 months and we're in 9th place. Give the bloke a chance.

He's not out of his depth. We're not Manchester United or Real Madrid, he's proven he can get a team similar to ours competing in the higher reaches of the table.

 

[Joey66]

There is a striking simularity with his time at Valecia atm for me, he took over the squad and by all accounts deemed several/a lot of the established players as not good enoguh and mad eno bones in saying so, the players basically downed tools on him after it for the season, i think he has absolutely zero man management skills which can go ok when things are going well, but soon as you hit some rocks and you need that then it is gonna snowball into more and more players disliking him - christ he even fell out semi publically with several saints players, mane and tadic being two of them

Yes compare Bollassie with mane apart from payin 6 million more for an older player????
He drops Ross all the blame on him our one man midfield to fetch hoof football back!

 

[Eggs]

There is a striking simularity with his time at Valecia atm for me, he took over the squad and by all accounts deemed several/a lot of the established players as not good enoguh and mad eno bones in saying so, the players basically downed tools on him after it for the season, i think he has absolutely zero man management skills which can go ok when things are going well, but soon as you hit some rocks and you need that then it is gonna snowball into more and more players disliking him - christ he even fell out semi publically with several saints players, mane and tadic being two of them

...hero or zero approach. The fear with that strategy is relegation becomes a factor if you don't turn it around.

 

[Joey66]

He's been here 4 months and we're in 9th place. Give the bloke a chance.

He's not out of his depth. We're not Manchester United or Real Madrid, he's proven he can get a team similar to ours competing in the higher reaches of the table.

9th place and dropping it's relegation football the might WBA hammered Watford last week!

 

[Lanolin]

I think it's important to remember that Koeman has brought in 5 players since he came, and all of them were signed with a view to the here and now.

You can't sign stekelenburg and Williams and then say you need time to build something. He's bought half a team in a bid to improve us in the short term and it hasn't worked.

He absolutely has to turn this around immediately - could any manager at any club realistically expect to get away with 1 win in 14/15 games?

 

[Prevenger17]

It's amazing how accustomed I've become to my team being cack