Ronald Koeman discussion

[Rollo Tomassi]

If we get say 1 point or less from. our next 3 then he's going to go. I don't want him to go because the the gutless squad will have got their wish again. They will be one hundred percent to blame. But in that situation there is no other option. I detest this squad and modern footballers in general.

Tim if that's the case and I agree with you then he needs to bin them off and go with the youth he is making a rod for his own back by continuously sticking with these senior players.

 

[riddick]

He's been here 4 months and we're in 9th place. Give the bloke a chance.

He's not out of his depth. We're not Manchester United or Real Madrid, he's proven he can get a team similar to ours competing in the higher reaches of the table.

1 win in 10/11. "Oh, he's in 9th" by that logic we were second 3 months ago. Downward trajectory and all that.

 

[Eggsyblueskin]

Regardless of who is the manager with the exception of Gana , Davies and Holgate , I'd like to see this current squad binned as soon as possible . I'm done with them.

 

[dannyboy]

9th place and dropping it's relegation football the might WBA hammered Watford last week!

It's a bad run of form. Every team we're competing with will have them this season.

Now obviously Koeman's got to turn it around over the coming months but why is it that football fans have to have a complete meltdown because their team haven't won for a few weeks.

It's as ridiculous saying we're a shoe in for the top 4 if we win four on the bounce, which is inevitably what would happen. More perspective is needed.

 

[bluestevon]

The particularly worrying thing is that most of the players he got in that presumably that fit his style (Williams, Stek and Bolasie before his injury) were also not progressing, if anything getting worse by the week.

Thankfully Gana is still playing well but found his substitution a bit odd today unless he was injured as there were others playing worse.

Agree totally LL, problem is to use a cooking analogy, if you have some ingredients that are off then it wont matter if you throw nice fresh ingredients in with them, they will just get spoilt too, Williams form has been torpedoed by firstly koeman persisting with jagielka who had obviously fell off a cliff career wise, then replacing him with a player everyone knows he doesn't rate in Mori, so now we have williams one of the most solid players at the back for a good few years looking all over the shop, the decision should have been made weeks ago to stick hlgate in alngside him, give williams the responsibility of nurturing a young lad with desire that would get him focused, rather than sticking him alongside experienced internationals who are disaster zones and must have him exasperated playing alngside them.

My first thought about Gueye was he'd either taken a knock when his foot got stood on earleir so as a precaustion, or more worryingly what i first thought which is that Koeman wanted to make sure he was fresh for the Arsenkl game and had almost given up on getting anything in the Watford game when he pulled him off

 

[diggerdestroyer]

To be fair he hit the nail on the head in his post match interview. Players Too passive. No intensity. But should have made the necessary changes during the match to increase the intensity. So in truth his own performance was too passive.

 

[Darth Toffeeman]

This all day long.

And January can easily end up being a mess of over priced panic buys with mediocre players.

The fact we spent £28m on Bolasie (good player but not worth that), and where willing to spend £30m on the trumpet Sissoko is concrete evidence of that.

 

[Tony Hibbert's 3rd leg]

Regardless of who is the manager with the exception of Gana , Davies and Holgate , I'd like to see this current squad binned as soon as possible . I'm done with them.

If there's any twisted positive you can take out of our current form, it's that surely Koeman, Walsh and Moshiri are seeing the same thing.

 

[dannyboy]

1 win in 10/11. "Oh, he's in 9th" by that logic we were second 3 months ago. Downward trajectory and all that.

And we might win a few games over the next month or so... Differentiate a bad run of form with a complete collapse. Apart from Chelsea we've still been competitive in games.

 

[kithnou]

I most certainly can deny it, Toff.

Toff....please stop it.

Stop blaming the fans.

We are not "quick to turn on a new boss".

For goodness sake Bobby was still carrying a critical mass of fans until March of this year.

That was because Bobby had bought himself a great deal of good will on the back of the Camelot season, the good run in Europe, the exhilarating style of the football we were witnessing last autumn.....and crucially, because he tapped into the Evertonian ethos and actually felt privileged to manage our great and beloved club.

This fellow, on the other hand, is serving up utter garbage on the field and strikes a devil may care pose about our club off it.

It is starting to grate with people.

But none of that would matter if we were getting results.

Which we palpably are not.

7 points from 30.

With home games against Arsenal and Liverpool preceding a trip to Leicester.

There is no fan base in the world would sit patiently by in these circumstances and not voice their concerns or vent their fury.

In fact....far from being a fanbase which you have "never known" to be ready to "turn on a new boss" we are actually being quite patient with Mr. Koeman.

The Kopites had hounded, or all but hounded, Hodgson out the door by this stage of his first and only season, following a six game losing streak.

United fans were already baying for Wee Davey's blood by December.

Spurs fans had Juande Ramos gone and Arry in by the October if memory serves.

And Chelsea fans "turned" on Rafael before he even led the team out for his first match in charge.

Are Evertonians less passionate about their clubs than these other fans are?

I think not, Toff.

Are we more patient and tolerant than them?

You bet we are.....by a long, long way.

Which is why this rising discontent among our fans is both understandable and quite justified.

The guy does not seem up to it right now......and that should be of great concern to every last man, woman and child in Evertonia.

Brilliant post.
As I said above, he's just about cooked. Poor Manager.
'Still unbeaten at home' though...

 

[diggerdestroyer]

Tim if that's the case and I agree with you then he needs to bin them off and go with the youth he is making a rod for his own back by continuously sticking with these senior players.

His predecessor did the same and fell on his sword because if it.

 

[wabisabi]

Really surprised by the guy's clumsy and unskillful managerial decisions to date. It's now a long row back for from those comments he made regarding Lukaku being too good for this team. To have compounded that by inferring, at this point in the season and in a decent enough league position, that a larger part of the squad have no future here is simply staggering. I just can't see how he will turn this around. Today him calling for confidence from the players rings mighty hollow.

 

[billyblue80]

Why the long ball and contain tactics today?He clearly has no faith in our midfield to control the game.Why not make a sub when we were 2-1 down instead of waiting?Why not go two up front?Why why why

 

[bluestevon]

To be fair he hit the nail on the head in his post match interview. Players Too passive. No intensity. But should have made the necessary changes during the match to increase the intensity. So in truth his own performance was too passive.

The team resembles the manager sitting on the sideline looking miserable.

No intensity, passive and looks almost dissociated from the game

 

[Joey66]

It's a bad run of form. Every team we're competing with will have them this season.

Now obviously Koeman's got to turn it around over the coming months but why is it that football fans have to have a complete meltdown because their team haven't won for a few weeks.

It's as ridiculous saying we're a shoe in for the top 4 if we win four on the bounce, which is inevitably what would happen. More perspective is needed.

Different manager needed it's just putting off the inevitable Lukaku will be gone in January!