Ronald Koeman discussion

[hktoffee]

You must have watched Everton for about two years then mate.

This is an utter fallacy that the squad Koeman was bequeathed was weak. Last season 99% of those wanting Martinez out were adamant they were wanting that because he was wasting a gifted bunch of players. There can be no rewriting of history. This is a good group of players. If we're playing caveman football from the 19th century then that's down to Dutch Pulis and no one else.

Because some players are aging, some are not good enough. He needs new players.

 

[Duncan Disordely]

Middlesborough beating United 1-0 now. If we can go into the new year a place and 6 points off the top 6 that's decent going, however poor we've been in some games. If our form had been reversed and we were on our streak from the start of the season we'd mostly all be made up now.

Oh well it was nice while it lasted

 

[Eggsyblueskin]

But what's your point?

In the previous game we had a back 3 of which none were here 3 years ago. If it wasn't for injury that would have been a back 4 with stekelenburg in there too. Gueye is a guaranteed starter, bolasie would be if not injured, Valencia has started 4 of the last 5. Lennon and Deulofeu are seemingly out of favour with this manager but they were bought as first teamers, as was niasse. We have changed the squad significantly and no amount of goalpost moving will change that.

As I said earlier, it's perfectly normal to have the majority of the squad stay the same over 3 years - especially when you're talking about players the quality of lukaku, Coleman and Barkley. I wouldn't want them replaced so I'm not sure why we're suggesting it's bad that they haven't been.

Of course we need to replace certain players, that's obvious. The idea that we should replace the entire squad is a joke though, and if Koeman really needs to do that in order to get performances out of them then he is simply not a good enough manager for this club. Any idiot could get a team winning if they've spent a fortune on hand picked players, a good manager should be able to improve the ones he has, and work out a way of playing that gets the best out of them. Hopefully Koeman will start to do that now.

Over the last 3 years the players brought in to replenish or replace departing Moyes era players have been poor at best. Overall the last manager failed to blend together a fully operational team and consequently the whole team fell apart. A team is built ,not necessarily jam full of star players but of players who complement each other and work as a cohesive unit . This is what the previous manager failed at abysmally and why in the end he had to go. Koeman has had to rectify this ,not an easy job by any means, yet we are 7th at the halfway point. Decent management at least for me so far.

 

[davek]

The only way we can be 10th in the next 7 days is if a few teams get 5 points for win.................

Theoretically after the next round of games early next week we could see four clubs either overtake us or join us on 27 points to put us 11th.

It's that tight in division two of the PL.

 

[Lanolin]

Over the last 3 years the players brought in to replenish or replace departing Moyes era players have been poor at best. Overall the last manager failed to blend together a fully operational team and consequently the whole team fell apart. A team is built ,not necessarily jam full of star players but of players who complement each other and work as a cohesive unit . This is what the previous manager failed at abysmally and why in the end he had to go. Koeman has had to rectify this ,not an easy job by any means, yet we are 7th at the halfway point. Decent management at least for me so far.

I agree in part but not entirely. I don't think all the players we've brought in have been poor, they just haven't necessarily addressed the main issues we have.

I've said numerous times on here that I think a lot of people mistake a lack of balance in the squad for a lack of ability. A bit of pace at centre half, more energy in the middle of the pitch and a creative outlet in the side and suddenly I think most of our players look much better. The failings of 1 or 2 are currently having a knock on effect on the rest, as it changes the way we have to play the game.

The point I was making though, is that it quite simply isn't true to say the squad hasn't changed over three years. If everyone was fit, our first 11 would include 4 players signed by our current manager, at a cost of over £40m. Our squad has had no less change than most teams in the league over the last 3 years, and any attempt to say otherwise can only be deflection of blame.

 

[Doolstar70]

Over the last 3 years the players brought in to replenish or replace departing Moyes era players have been poor at best. Overall the last manager failed to blend together a fully operational team and consequently the whole team fell apart. A team is built ,not necessarily jam full of star players but of players who complement each other and work as a cohesive unit . This is what the previous manager failed at abysmally and why in the end he had to go. Koeman has had to rectify this ,not an easy job by any means, yet we are 7th at the halfway point. Decent management at least for me so far.

Agreed.
Also, insufficient time in summer for koeman and Walsh to make much impact in the transfer market in summer. V difficult period for the club. However, It feels like we will start rectifying that over the next few weeks.

 

[Logans run]

I saw my first match in 1946 and through playing, holding a full coaching badge, and managing non-league teams I have forgotten more about football than you will ever know, I have laboured over the often most ridiculous and ill-thought and at times ludicrously written post to know for a fact that you are a football illiterate.
The assertion that they underperformed was utter rubbish, they were they deserved to be.
Your ravings on how good these players are and how lucky we are to have them, breaks the bounds of sanity.
They were poor two years ago, worst last and, although most are worse this year, Koeman has us 7th is the league 8th wonder of the world.

 

[davek]

Over the last 3 years the players brought in to replenish or replace departing Moyes era players have been poor at best. Overall the last manager failed to blend together a fully operational team and consequently the whole team fell apart. A team is built ,not necessarily jam full of star players but of players who complement each other and work as a cohesive unit . This is what the previous manager failed at abysmally and why in the end he had to go. Koeman has had to rectify this ,not an easy job by any means, yet we are 7th at the halfway point. Decent management at least for me so far.

Deulofeu
McCarthy
Lukaku
Barry
Besic
Galloway
Lennon
Holgate
Funes Mori
Cleverley

...you think Moyes wouldn't have signed any of those players in a heartbeat if he'd have been here? Nonsense if you do.

The playing staff here are good enough to get top 7 at the very least. And they achieved higher in the past.

The fallacy about this being a poor squad that Koeman is having to struggle with is utter BS and needs putting to bed.

A poor tradesman blames their tools. That's what Koeman does. He's taking the piss on that score and charging £6M per season to have people off over it. Not happening as far as I'm concerned. He needs to prove he can coach players. I've seen absolutely zero evidence he can do that.

 

[Rsoles]

They're like @Rsoles

Hey buddy have a great 18th birthday party but don't eat too much birthday cake tubby you must be so excited about becoming a real man best wishes

 

[ianefc]

Deulofeu
McCarthy
Lukaku
Barry
Besic
Galloway
Lennon
Holgate
Funes Mori
Cleverley

...you think Moyes wouldn't have signed any of those players in a heartbeat if he'd have been here? Nonsense if you do.

The playing staff here are good enough to get top 7 at the very least. And they achieved higher in the past.

The fallacy about this being a poor squad that Koeman is having to struggle with is utter BS and needs putting to bed.

A poor tradesman blames their tools. That's what Koeman does. He's taking the piss on that score and charging £6M per season to have people off over it. Not happening as far as I'm concerned. He needs to prove he can coach players. I've seen absolutely zero evidence he can do that.

lol

Behave. Moyes signed massively better players than them for less money.

 

[Bazlar]

Deulofeu
McCarthy
Lukaku
Barry
Besic
Galloway
Lennon
Holgate
Funes Mori
Cleverley

...you think Moyes wouldn't have signed any of those players in a heartbeat if he'd have been here? Nonsense if you do.

The playing staff here are good enough to get top 7 at the very least. And they achieved higher in the past.

The fallacy about this being a poor squad that Koeman is having to struggle with is utter BS and needs putting to bed.

A poor tradesman blames their tools. That's what Koeman does. He's taking the piss on that score and charging £6M per season to have people off over it. Not happening as far as I'm concerned. He needs to prove he can coach players. I've seen absolutely zero evidence he can do that.

You forgot to add Niasse, Alcaraz and Kone to the list lol

 

[kenada_blue]

The gap between us and the teams above is ridiculous

 

[ianefc]

The gap between us and the teams above is ridiculous

3 years of going backwards does that to a team.

 

[Eggsyblueskin]

Deulofeu
McCarthy
Lukaku
Barry
Besic
Galloway
Lennon
Holgate
Funes Mori
Cleverley

...you think Moyes wouldn't have signed any of those players in a heartbeat if he'd have been here? Nonsense if you do.

The playing staff here are good enough to get top 7 at the very least. And they achieved higher in the past.

The fallacy about this being a poor squad that Koeman is having to struggle with is utter BS and needs putting to bed.

A poor tradesman blames their tools. That's what Koeman does. He's taking the piss on that score and charging £6M per season to have people off over it. Not happening as far as I'm concerned. He needs to prove he can coach players. I've seen absolutely zero evidence he can do that.

You know while the quality of some of those players listed is questionable that's subjective. What isn't subjective is that the blend of players , or the chemistry if you like, is woeful. It became critically apparent last season and is our major problem this season. We need to build a team again , a team and squad who can operate together in defence and attack,you know like proper teams. Koeman inherited an awful mess of an unbalanced badly drilled team , it takes time to correct 3 seasons of mis-management . Still half a season in and 7th ain't bad.

 

[davek]

lol

Behave. Moyes signed massively better players than them for less money.

Lol. Yeah mate...

Richard Wright
Li Tie
McFadden
Beattie
Plessis
Simon Davies
Kroldrup
Bilyaletdinov
Nuno Valente
Van der Meyde
Scott Spencer
Anderson Da Silva
Jutkiewizc
Dan Gosling
Jacobsen
Castillo
Garbutt
Joao Silva
Mageye Gueye
Vellios
Gibson
Hahnemann
Jelavic
Naismith


...absolute top draw purchases.

FFS.