Ronald Koeman discussion

[Gwladysstreetlad]

The reason there's a lot of spite toward Roberto is that last point you make: a taste of honey is worse than none at all, so the song goes. True of that first season we had under him too. People resented badly they were shown what we could play like again and then it was taken away from us as quickly as it arrived. History will judge RM a lot more kindly than those in the present.

On Koeman though: I dont believe it'll get any worse under him. I think the football is horrible now but will start becoming more bearable, although he'll always be a direct play manager (despite all his talk about playing football THAT is what he is).

Once again you completely over hype that first fluke of a season under Martinez. It was down to a combination of luck on El Fraudo's part and the old guard shocking people with new tactics. What did we actually achieve that season? Sweet FA! We crashed out of both the league and FA Cup and we finished fifth so all this nonsense about tasting honey is ridiculous. People didn't resent Martinez because we had some magical brand of football taken away from us, they resented that insufferable clown because he undid over a decades worth of work from Moyes of making us hard to beat and turning us into the current mess we are. History will not look kindly on Martinez, once Koeman builds his own team that can play to the standard's Koeman wants it will be even more clear just how much of a disaster that incompetent charlatan Martinez was.

 

[davek]

You don't want to answer this? In your opinion did Royle achieve more than RM's first season because Joe won the FA Cup thus a better manager?

Of course. Why would I avoid stating that?!

But RM won the cup with an ale house resourced club and got EFC's biggest points haul since the glory days of the 80s. That outstrips Big Joe (I loved JR but it's the truth .)

 

[Blue Cheese]

Why didn't it that season? In fact didn't we finish about 5-6 points behind 4th?

So why did we not qualify with 72 points?

The league was crap that year...

So you think jelavic is boss then do you? Can't be a fraud ... he scored 16 in his first 20 games ...

You think ranieri is the best manager in the world because of last season?

Flukes happen... but they don't carry on forever ... you mentioned Moyes had time to get those finishes.... and had one very bad season where he got our lowest points tally in 50 years? Bobby has been managing in the prem for how long? 8? He has had one league placing in the top half of the table ( and that was with Moyes's drfence) every team he has managed concedes more goals that the previous season.. he's crap,deluded and stubborn...

Actually I'm starting to see why you can relate to him so much

Devils advocate here, yes flukes happen but you can't take away the fact it happened, they still achieved it so for that period of time yes they were at the top of their game. If flukes didn't happen, Wimbledon would never have won the FA Cup

It's also not true anyone can win a cup, plenty haven't.

 

[davek]

@davek can I ask you a question please?

What do you think a football managers job is?

How do you gauge a good manager?

Serious question !

Why would I answer questions from a poster who calls me a lunatic?

 

[ijjysmith]

It's amazing. Still amazing how people fall for it.

I'm in awe.

 

[hktoffee]

Of course. Why would I avoid stating that?!

But RM won the cup with an ale house resourced club and got EFC's biggest points haul since the glory days of the 80s. That outstrips Big Joe (I loved JR but it's the truth .)

He relegated Wigan at the sametime though.

Ok so you think Martinez achieved more and better managers than both Royle (FA Cup winner and 6th) and Moyes (4th-7th 8 times) at Everton football club during his tenure. Fine, this is your opinion.

 

[Groucho]

Of course. Why would I avoid stating that?!

But RM won the cup with an ale house resourced club and got EFC's biggest points haul since the glory days of the 80s. That outstrips Big Joe (I loved JR but it's the truth .)

He relegated Wigan at the sametime though.

Ok so you think Martinez achieved more and better managers than both Royle (FA Cup winner and 6th) and Moyes (4th-7th 8 times) at Everton football club during his tenure. Fine, this is your opinion.

Doesn't outstrip big Joe for me.

Joe Royle won the cup and stayed up.

Martinez won the cup and got relegated.

Try to stay vaguely Koeman related lads.

 

[davek]

He relegated Wigan at the sametime though.

Ok so you think Martinez achieved more and better managers than both Royle (FA Cup winner and 6th) and Moyes (4th-7th 8 times) at Everton football club during his tenure. Fine, this is your opinion.

it is my opinion. It's also a pretty good position on the issue. Martinez is unquestionably a better coach than Big Joe and Moyes.

 

[Blue Cheese]

Anyway Koeman, wonder who his targets are for Walshy.

 

[davek]

Doesn't outstrip big Joe for me.

Joe Royle won the cup and stayed up.

Martinez won the cup and got relegated.

Try to stay vaguely Koeman related lads.

Mate, Joe relegated both Oldham and City.

As said, I wont hear a bad word against the feller. But he's not a manager who outstrips Martinez as a coach (man management - YES!)

 

[cantlivewithem]

Martinez was [Poor language removed]. Ronald so far has us 7th. That is the minimum we should be at when you consider the teams above us at the moment. The gap between the top 7 and the rest will increase over the season. Ronny's task over the next season or two is to close the gap between us and the six above us so that we are competing as many of the places above us as possible. We would not be 7th if Bobby was here now. We would not have signed Gana Gueye with Bobby here. Things are getting better

 

[BlueToff]

Anyway Koeman, wonder who his targets are for Walshy.

Schneids.

Deeps is an alternative to somebody else I reckon. Think we'll assess a few other options before moving on him.

A good version of Valencia.

Probably a centre-half that isn't Mori or Jagielka

 

[TheCount]

None of this has anything to do with Ronko, who's doing a solid job.

It will be interesting to see the shape of the side if he acquires Deeps* and another attacking player.

He's rotated a lot thus far, when he had good runs with Southampton did he rotate constantly or stick with a winning team?

 

[orly]

Martinez was [Poor language removed]. Ronald so far has us 7th. That is the minimum we should be at when you consider the teams above us at the moment. The gap between the top 7 and the rest will increase over the season. Ronny's task over the next season or two is to close the gap between us and the six above us so that we are competing as many of the places above us as possible. We would not be 7th if Bobby was here now. We would not have signed Gana Gueye with Bobby here. Things are getting better

To be fair, we are probably mainly in 7th due to the £28m goal machine up front that "Bobby" did sign

 

[Gwladysstreetlad]

To be fair, we are probably mainly in 7th due to the £28m goal machine up front that "Bobby" did sign

Perhaps so but maybe we wouldn't have to rely solely on Lukaku if Martinez had known his business and not brought other awful strikers like Kone and Niasse thus providing no support for his 'goal machine'.

Besides we finished 11th and 13th with Martinez's 'goal machine' under Martinez management so it's a little rich to give him credit now we're 7th with Koeman.