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hktoffee
Birds of a feather flock together
Delusion. Can you explain what happen in his 2nd and 3rd season? 22 wins in 75 league games which caused him the sack, deservedly.
More like jossy's giants.....
Azza
Player Valuation: £80m
There are players who were engraved with the Moyes way, tight solid shape, those players then had to try and adapt to Martinez and his possession is everything, defending is nothing approach. These players partially adapted to this in the first season and caught a lot of people by surprise but in time the inevitable happened and Martinez destroyed the defensive mentality and work rate that Moyes put into them. Martinez got in players to suit his 'way' who evidently can't defend and actually couldn't pass keep the ball and the Martinez way was found out big time.
Koeman brought in a couple of players in the summer, one of whom is or should I say was the mould of what he wants, especially the attacking part of the pitch in Bolasie. He obviously wanted more than had been brought in, just look at how ruthless he was with Niasse after just 20 minutes in Austria.
We all know how many players the squad needs binning, regardless of the result we have the same players underperforming consistently.
Koeman brought in a couple of players in the summer, one of whom is or should I say was the mould of what he wants, especially the attacking part of the pitch in Bolasie. He obviously wanted more than had been brought in, just look at how ruthless he was with Niasse after just 20 minutes in Austria.
We all know how many players the squad needs binning, regardless of the result we have the same players underperforming consistently.
No mate.
No indeed he was not gash. But now he is gash.
Sadly I do.
ianefc
Player Valuation: £70m
@mkrudden all I'm saying is that you called a poster 'Crazy' for blaming Martinez for Everton's current predicament, that's fine it's your opinion. But for the purposes of consistency, that would mean you then think Moyes had no influence on 13/14.
Again that's fine, if that's your opinion.
But I strongly disagree.
That's exactly why, contrary to what you just said, I'm being 100% consistent (you've still not explained that dig) by crediting, in part, the manager of the previous season for the current one. I did it with Moyes/Martinez and now I'm doing it with Martinez/Koeman.
Not inconsistent at all.
Again that's fine, if that's your opinion.
But I strongly disagree.
That's exactly why, contrary to what you just said, I'm being 100% consistent (you've still not explained that dig) by crediting, in part, the manager of the previous season for the current one. I did it with Moyes/Martinez and now I'm doing it with Martinez/Koeman.
Not inconsistent at all.
mkrudden
Player Valuation: £40m
Moyes was a great manager for us. Agreed. But he had stagnated, surely you agree with that? Martinez was a breath of fresh air. He ultimately failed.
I'm not trying to glorify Martinez or degrade Moyes. I'm saying that Koemans immunity from this all is ridiculous.
Let me ask you this:
If Moshiri hadn't come in and there was no way of buying our way out of this, would you be satisfied?
But Moyes wont have that on his CV, cos he will be sacked before it happens.
You can back a manager and hope he sorts things out whilst still expressing reservations about the progress, or lack of it, you are seeing.
We seem slightly better in our defensive organisation but the number of chances we create, specially in the first half of games, is pretty dire. Also don't think any of the players have noticeabley improved over the past few weeks - you'd expect a good coach to at least be able to get his concepts across to one or two even as he awaits his own recruits.
ianefc
Player Valuation: £70m
Even more so with the squad and it's character/mentality he was left.
Moyes left a team, Martinez left a squad.
I think there's been enough to suggest he might turn them around, though the absence of their AFCON players could be telling.
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