Ronald Koeman discussion

[Naisy'sCharitableLeanings]

Forming
Storming
Norming
Performing

The whole club has had major upheaval since this time last year
We are still in the storm phase where people are stating their case and building their power bases
Soon it will settle

Kudos for getting the Tuckman Cycle into a GOT post! You're right though - he's barely got started and has done a good job of bringing the 'storming' forward. Martinez didn't and we are now where we are.

 

[davek]

Steve Walsh is ruining this for Koeman. We'd be in the SF of the LC and 4th Round of the FA Cup if that divvy had done his job. I feel sorry for Ronald.

 

[Nymzee]

Steve Walsh is ruining this for Koeman. We'd be in the SF of the LC and 4th Round of the FA Cup if that divvy had done his job. I feel sorry for Ronald.

Do you ever have a day off; it's Sunday ffs.

 

[davek]

Do you ever have a day off; it's Sunday ffs.

...that's why I'm not taking the Lord's name in vain. Be thankful for small mercies.

 

[Dirty Dutch]

Yes he's talking with Walsh about which players we want but isnt it the board who make the deals???

To be honest i don't think he's blaming Walsh.

 

[everton2004]

Do you ever have a day off; it's Sunday ffs.

Agendas work 24x7, they don't usually have a day off.

 

[4737carlin]

He might not be blaming Walsh but he is trying to deflect any focus away from himself, which is poor

 

[Connor]

Yes he's talking with Walsh about which players we want but isnt it the board who make the deals???

To be honest i don't think he's blaming Walsh.

For what it's worth, I don't think he's having a go at Walsh either.

It was more a "hurry up and get deals done" message to the board, especially regarding Schneiderlin.

 

[Logans run]

It has crossed my mind more than once that he might eventually resign citing false promises. I would not be gutted either, but that's mostly related to how he comes across in a human sense for me and so in footballing terms, is unfair, insipid though much of the football has been.

There is a widespread assumption that he is nonchalant and uncommitted, but we have no evidence to suggest that. We don't know how much he really cares but he didn't sign up to fail. I imagine he was hurt and angered from yesterday. I am critical of his public calling out of the squad, and players, as not good enough, and critical of his tactical flexibility and in-game management.

If resignation did materialise, I think it would be near-fatal for Moshiri and his credibility would be severely dented. The club would find damage limitation very difficult before an already skeptical fanbase. Not to mention the difficulty there would be in getting a suitable replacement under those circumstances. I don't see it as an immediate possibility but I do regard his comments yesterday as being indicative of an unhappy manager, in an unhappy camp. It was a warning shot to the board, even if aimed at Walsh. There is of course much time for redemption in January and for us to sign 3 or 4 players. Failure to deliver only increases the pressure as soon as the summer starts.

There was much talk in the summer about the "£100m" budget, it was directly quoted in The Telegraph in one instance. Perhaps this is indeed close to the actual figure, and he may have been promised that plus income from sales and a promise that Lukaku and Barkley would not be sold over the course of his contract, or again, that all proceeds were his to use.

He clearly took his time mulling over our offer. Perhaps, the salary increase got him to sign but he must have envisaged in June that we would sign 6-8 players. He has probably underestimated the depth of issues in the squad and the difficulty in getting players, the same bunch who threw Martinez to the wolves and who effectively went on strike, to buy into his methods (that's not saying I didn't agree with Martinez' sacking, btw). His brand of honesty has likely done him no favours with the same bunch of players, and its not far-fetched to suggest he may well have alienated a couple of them.

I think he looked at Southampton in comparison to us and may have underestimated the scale of the job, as many others did, myself included, off the back of a 5th place finish there whilst having to continuously sell star names.

The problem is that the budget may not be enough considering how thinly it will have to be spread. Considering the Sky money alone, £100m if it is near that, isn't supporting the manager on any grand scale anymore and might only be sufficient to get us close to the Top 6 rather than in it. In league table terms, we are already 7th with a gap of £250m to the team in 6th. It would only allow us to finance 4.5 Morgan Schneiderlins, put it that way!

As it stands, if there is money to spend, it looks as if achievement will indeed be considered as a return to the Top 6 and precious little else. Aiming any higher will take money I'm not at all convinced is there to spend. Perhaps that, and the immediacy of the defeat yesterday, saw his frustrations boil over just a little.

Now I don't know if this is true or not, but I have been told that Koeman feels he has been mislead, and if no players in quick and a bad result next week, then he will offer his resignation to bring the transfer situation to a head.

 

[banno]

Yes he's talking with Walsh about which players we want but isnt it the board who make the deals???

To be honest i don't think he's blaming Walsh.

I suppose it could be taken in different ways. My take on it is that he is sayings it's the job of Steve Walsh to get the board to pull the finger out. Could be him and Walsh agree on the players and issue the list to the board for the go ahead or not. Not sure who the negotiators are or even if the negotiators are having there strings pulled by even higher authority.

 

[davek]

Now I don't know if this is true or not, but I have been told that Koeman feels he has been mislead, and if no players in quick and a bad result next week, then he will offer his resignation to bring the transfer situation to a head.

Ha Ha.

The manager flouncing. That'd be hilarious.

Unfortunately it'll be a cold day in hell when one of those mercenaries walks away from £6M per year.

 

[Ernie]

So we where beaten by Norwich and Leicester because we didn't buy enough new players?

that about right

 

[Tin-Tin]

"Its unbelievable how we lost the game at 1-0 up, a sloppy attitude". If a young player at 18 is the best on the pitch, that says enough".

Then goes on to say if everyone opened their eyes they would see what we need - that is a dig at the players and their mentality/attitude, basically saying what we are all saying. He isnt going to change that so he wants them replacing.

 

[mutley]

Now I don't know if this is true or not, but I have been told that Koeman feels he has been mislead, and if no players in quick and a bad result next week, then he will offer his resignation to bring the transfer situation to a head.

Stop getting my hopes up

 

[Logans run]

Ha Ha.

The manager flouncing. That'd be hilarious.

Unfortunately it'll be a cold day in hell when one of those mercenaries walks away from £6M per year.

Your not very bright if you do not think he cannot get a job at another club, his record with Southampton guarantees that.
So he will exchange 6m job for 4m job, better to bail out quick, without major changes we are in desperate trouble.
If not this season then certainly next.