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Ronald Koeman discussion

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davek said:
I haven't written him off totally in that respect. I do think he hears the background chatter about the poor quality he's served up thus far and that he might feel the need to go in another direction by playing to feet out from the back a lot more. It'll be interesting to see how he replaces defenders in that respect. VVD would be a huge step in the right direction football wise.
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If only your boy Bobby snapped him up when he was dirt cheap, eh?!
 
Mikey_Fitzgerald said:
One question for the folk complaining that Koeman's team has been too direct

Have you guys and gals ever sat back to consider that perhaps some people actually like that style of football?

It seems to me like you think there's only one acceptable way to play football and that's in an aesthetic manner with lots of technical skill and passing, but have you ever stopped to think that not everyone agrees with you?

You seem to be operating under the assumption that your stance is objective as opposed to subjective

Different people like different things

I remember seeing comments during the Martinez years that our fan base was in need of "re-education" and had to be "weaned" from more direct football

Well perhaps people don't need to be weaned and perhaps they don't want to be re-educated? Maybe they just want to like what they like without the tactical nazis stomping on them for enjoying a nice cross into the box for the target man?

For me, I don't mind a bit of direct route one stuff on occasion. Would I want it all the time? No, probably not. But would I like it if we played on the whole more direct with a dash of flair here and there? Yes, I probably would

I think too many people are labouring under the misconception that lots of people want loads of passing and step overs. As many people as there is who go to the match to be entertained first and see the team win second, there's as many, if not more, who simply want to go and see their team win. And if they have to win ugly, then so be it
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Nothing wrong in being direct, direct can still be exciting if done right. Aimless hoofing though, I doubt anybody enjoys that, absolutely nobody so there is a difference.
 
Mikey_Fitzgerald said:
Agreed

Dave regularly likes talk down the quality of the football that last season under Moyes (To his own detriment really because it's a massive blind spot on his behalf that hurts his overall argument) but there were times during it when we played very well indeed

To me, it was probably one of the most consistently good Everton sides I can remember watching
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Spot on Mikey.

We played a more expansive game that season, with the benefit of hindsight it was probably in part driven by Moyes desire to be seen as a manager who could deliver attacking football, as he knew he was in with a shout of the United job. But irrespective of any motives the football that season was very good in the most part.

For all Dave's pontificating about the 72 point season, and the great Everton 'entertainers' under Martinez, we only scored 6 more goals that season than we did in Moyes last one - and Martinez had the benefit of the top quality striker that Moyes had always craved, but couldn't attain due to the financial restraints.

To deny that the football we played that last season under Moyes was of a quality is either delusional or attempting to re-write history.
 

Foot Long Hot Dog said:
Spot on Mikey.

We played a more expansive game that season, with the benefit of hindsight it was probably in part driven by Moyes desire to be seen as a manager who could deliver attacking football, as he knew he was in with a shout of the United job. But irrespective of any motives the football that season was very good in the most part.

For all Dave's pontificating about the 72 point season, and the great Everton 'entertainers' under Martinez, we only scored 6 more goals that season than we did in Moyes last one - and Martinez had the benefit of the top quality striker that Moyes had always craved, but couldn't attain due to the financial restraints.

To deny that the football we played that last season under Moyes was of a quality is either delusional or attempting to re-write history.
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The performance against Swansea away stands out to me, as well as the win over Southampton at home

Both games were pretty much over by half time we played so well

Fellaini was imperious in that Swansea game and we played some lovely stuff against Saints
 
Mikey_Fitzgerald said:
Come off it Dave

Your refusal to accept the truth regards that season is a constant black mark to your name

Simply fess up and admit what pretty much everyone else on here, even people who don't like Moyes, accept

Give him his due credit regards 12/13 and stop denying it, you're only making a rod for your own back and looking silly in the process

As far as your post prior to this goes, we'll simply have to accept that we like different things in that regard and have different feelings to the game of football. Nothing wrong with that, there is no "right" answer in that regard if you ask me. It's purely subjective
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Our friend here can talk up Walter Smith like Alex Ferguson if he wants. It looks as if he is desperately trying to smash RK at every opportunity...and then praise his lord. And we all know RM was toilet paper.
 

Mikey_Fitzgerald said:
The performance against Swansea away stands out to me, as well as the win over Southampton at home

Both games were pretty much over by half time we played so well

Fellaini was imperious in that Swansea game and we played some lovely stuff against Saints
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Whenever Moyes had his quality top players fit we played decent stuff. 07-10 we played consistently good football with Arteta Pienaar Osman Cahill Yak Lescott playing very nice stuff. Once that team got ripped apart though we reverted to a more pragmatic style Fellaini Rodwell Heitinga in midfield etc. Then in the last season and a half with Gibson Pienaar Jelavic Mirallas Naismith in we started playing some decent stuff again.

In the main Moyes had very limited players to work with in a very competitive league. When he did have some quality though he showed he was capable of very nice football. I'm sure if he'd had 30 mill for Lukaku and older Stones and Barkley it might have been even better.
 
Saint Domingo said:
Whenever Moyes had his quality top players fit we played decent stuff. 07-10 we played consistently good football with Arteta Pienaar Osman Cahill Yak Lescott playing very nice stuff. Once that team got ripped apart though we reverted to a more pragmatic style Fellaini Rodwell Heitinga in midfield etc. Then in the last season and a half with Gibson Pienaar Jelavic Mirallas Naismith in we started playing some decent stuff again.

In the main Moyes had very limited players to work with in a very competitive league. When he did have some quality though he showed he was capable of very nice football. I'm sure if he'd had 30 mill for Lukaku and older Stones and Barkley it might have been even better.
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And @Mikey_Fitzgerald
Let's keep on topic fellas, takes the chat about Moyes elsewhere. It's interesting but let's keep this thread to RK.
 
Moomin said:
Think it's a good point actually, Koeman won't be here for the long haul.

It's just not in his nature, I'm hoping he does a great job for the two seasons he is here.
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I disagree completely, if he's given decent money to invest and time to build something special why would he walk away? Besides, where could he go better then here at this point of his career?
 
AndyC said:
And @Mikey_Fitzgerald
Let's keep on topic fellas, takes the chat about Moyes elsewhere. It's interesting but let's keep this thread to RK.
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To be fair mate, I'd argue it's relevant because it relates back to Koeman's tactics and the overall theme of Direct Vs Technical which has been a big part of the transition of Martinez to Koeman

Relating back to Moyes play in 12/13 comes back to Koeman as he seems to be wanting to go for a similar flavour of play, with good players being prepared to take a direct approach when required

As someone who liked the 12/13 team, I would personally like to see Koeman go in that direction, and I think others in this thread agree, which is why I'd argue discussing what was good about that team "earns" it's place in a Koeman discussion, though the approach may be slightly more abstract than a direct comment on Koeman himself

However, you're the mod and I'll respect your stance accordingly ;)
 
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