Ronald Koeman discussion

[evertonarntwe]

dont get all the hype over sigurdsson me, good player yes but not that good, was a massive flop at spurs, hes found his level at swansea

 

[balggy]

I think he'd be a good but not outstanding signing. He's already turned us down also. Why did he flop at Spurs?

I'm not sure he turned us down. It goes against all logic to think he chose to stay at Swansea rather than come to us.

In the summer I think are name was used often to flush out interest and drive up prices. Just like with arnautovic.

Reported in the press that we are interested. The player then signs a bumper new contract.

 

[banno]

But how is buying players and evolving away from the players you inherit the same as publicly declaring your playing staff not fit for purpose.

Im just not getting the similarities here between our greatest ever manager - a humble genius and excellent man manager - with some blow hard Dutchman who's done nothing in comparison and who throws his own players under the bus by the shed full.

Come on Davek. You know quite well I am not comparing them as people. I am saying that Howard didn't say anything to the press but still bought 7 players and got rid of a few. His actions are basically the same as Koemans apart from Koeman stating what he was/is going to do. The actions are still the same. They did not like what they inherited and went about change. If by saying some players have not got a future at Everton is the equal of throwing them under the bus by the shed full is correct then you have the right to think that but I certainly don't. To me he is doing a managers job by trying to make the team better and bowing to nearly all Evertonians to the ridding of deadwood. He has done nothing wrong there. But to imply that I was comparing Howard to Koeman in the terms you wrote is a low low blow.

 

[MikeH72]

How's Dave still floundering around in here shouting "Koeman out" down the bog thinking that anyone is taking him seriously?

 

[MrGrumpy]

You can't compare HK to RK, totally different era. In HK era u probably did 1 presser a week and 1 after the game, now you do about 15. What RK said the other day was genius. What he basically said to every other team is, I have a load of players I no longer want/need come and get them. We need to get rid of players to free up wages and signing on bonus and what not.

He's also right, last 2 seasons we finished 11th, Martinez brought terribly in his last 5 TW. Only decent player was Lukaku.

In Moyes era we have 5-6 players that would get in any of the top 4 teams. now we have 1-2 that's at a push. We have the oldest defence in the league an I think the oldest team in the league.
Most of the squad are not fighters and that's what we need

 

[DrEFC]

I'm not sure he turned us down. It goes against all logic to think he chose to stay at Swansea rather than come to us.

In the summer I think are name was used often to flush out interest and drive up prices. Just like with arnautovic.

Reported in the press that we are interested. The player then signs a bumper new contract.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.li...news/sigurdsson-not-move-everton-11869632.amp

We should probable aim for someone younger, more potential, more skillset- with resale value?

 

[Jags..class]

I've said consistently this transfer window I'd make only one addition: Sigurdsson. That at least would offer us another string to our bow. The rest can wait until the summer because the season is over.

You can use this season to blend players in and get them ready for next season

 

[Eggsyblueskin]

You can use this season to blend players in and get them ready for next season

Excellent point. Worth observing that Leicester's unlikely success arguably began at the tail end of the season when the team 'clicked' and went on a run that saved them from relegation.

 

[jceverton]

His managerial approach has already yielded success during his career something you continually gloss over. However you are right that from our point of view the proof of the pudding will be results on the pitch.
Just out of interest who did you want as manager ? I was hoping for Favre for the record.

Emery was my first choice, Favre second.

 

[davek]

League table after 20 games last season mate

1 Arsenal 42
2 Leicester 40
3 Man City 39
4 Tottenham 36
5 Man Utd 33
6 West Ham 32
7 Crystal Palace 31
8 Liverpool 30
9 Watford 29
10 Stoke 29
11 Everton 27
12 West Brom 26
13 Southampton 24


Final Table

1 Leicester City (C) 81
2 Arsenal 71
3 Tottenham Hotspur 70
4 Mancester City 66
5 Manchester United 66
6 Southampton 63
7 West Ham United 62
8 Liverpool 60
9 Stoke City 51
10 Chelsea 50
11 Everton 47
12 Swansea City 47


After 20 games they where 8 points behind the 6th placed team, they ended up finishing 1 point ahead of them, so yeah actually Dave they did close a 9 point gap on the 6th placed team last season

Well i didn't assert they didn't make any such gap up, I merely asked the question whether they had. But the important thing to note there was that the low hanging fruit to pluck was WHU...and the low hanging fruit this time is Man Utd.

Big difference in terms of how those two teams will finish off any season, dont you agree?

 

[davek]

The season is not really over because 7th might well get us into Europe and also the teams above all lose, so as we strengthen you never now.

The last thing this club needs is to get into that EL fiasco cup. Next season will be finished before it's started.

 

[Mikeonlythebestwilldo]

Well i didn't assert they didn't make any such gap up, I merely asked the question whether they had. But the important thing to note there was that the low hanging fruit to pluck was WHU...and the low hanging fruit this time is Man Utd.

Big difference in terms of how those two teams will finish off any season, dont you agree?

But if they make good ground and nearly catch up or even catch up don't you think it will be an improvement on managers mate ?

 

[davek]

I think he'd be a good but not outstanding signing. He's already turned us down also. Why did he flop at Spurs?

He's a cut above any one we have creatively.

hy did he not o it at Spurs? I dnt know. Why did Pienaar not do it there but did for us?

 

[bluestevon]

Well i didn't assert they didn't make any such gap up, I merely asked the question whether they had. But the important thing to note there was that the low hanging fruit to pluck was WHU...and the low hanging fruit this time is Man Utd.

Big difference in terms of how those two teams will finish off any season, dont you agree?

Was just answering mate, had no idea how much theyd made up till i looked into it anyways - just knew the finished incredibly last season

Doubt any team has a prayer of catching the top 6 whose out of it atm, unless they capitalise on them knocking each other off which would requirre turning them over ourselves - which is not too likely obviously

Saints did catch united by 6, Arsenal by 10, Spurs by 5, the rs by 9, City by 12 as well though though over those 18 games last season mate

This season looks like all 6 have real belief in them though - but will be surprised if none of them drop off the pace and all 6 keep up this form

 

[davek]

Come on Davek. You know quite well I am not comparing them as people. I am saying that Howard didn't say anything to the press but still bought 7 players and got rid of a few. His actions are basically the same as Koemans apart from Koeman stating what he was/is going to do. The actions are still the same. They did not like what they inherited and went about change. If by saying some players have not got a future at Everton is the equal of throwing them under the bus by the shed full is correct then you have the right to think that but I certainly don't. To me he is doing a managers job by trying to make the team better and bowing to nearly all Evertonians to the ridding of deadwood. He has done nothing wrong there. But to imply that I was comparing Howard to Koeman in the terms you wrote is a low low blow.

It;s all about timing mate. The times when Koeman pipes up and throws his players to the dogs are when we've had a bad reversal and he's looking to deflect.

I cant abide that. Be a tough manager yes, but do it behind the scenes and if you do go public then hold up your hand too.

Heard enough from this feller to know he's not Everton class. Not one 'kin bit of him.