Ronald Koeman discussion

[hktoffee]

Dave can't have anything up his arse, as he's too busy talking out of it.

When we were 13th and had 2 semi final medals he can have anything up his arse.

 

[Librarian]

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

That's certainly a positive!

 

[DownunderToffee]

That's certainly a positive!

Koeman: It's a positive but okay, lots to still improve.

Martinez: What a phenomenal effort, huge positive.

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

Koeman: It's a positive but okay, lots to still improve.

Martinez: What a phenomenal effort, huge positive.

Oh my God, IT'S LIKE THEY'RE IN THE ROOM WITH ME!!!

 

[fandjango]

Southampton's season is alive and well and looking like they might get a final and silverware. We, on the other hand, saw our season die on its arse two weeks ago.

So you don't think continuing to develop bond and grow the squad for the rest of the season is worthwhile ?
And you are so miserably down beat you can see no possibility of us catching united or at least having a really good push at it?
Dave you're a legend ... a miserable cut your own throat dibbler of a misery but a legend nonetheless.

 

[davek]

Dave.
Quick question.

Next season.

What is more of an achievement in your eyes?
5th or 6th
or
11th and FA Cup semi final?

The question posed underlines where you and I differ:

NONE of those league places or cup results are an achievement. None of them.

Winning silverware is the achievement.

What has to stop here is some creeping tendency to drag down what is acceptable for a PL season. I detect over the past few weeks this numb nuts "Top Six" false ceiling has been created to try and excuse a season's failure to make a challenge. That has to be rejected and rebuffed at every turn. Our expectations cant go from top 4 to top 6/7 just because some wish to stretch out what's acceptable for a manager they have thrown their hand in with.

Top 7 this season is ok.
Top 7 next season is failure.
Not reaching Top 4 by any third season he reaches should result in a dismissal if we have failed to get 5th.

Anyone not working to that timetable are accepting mediocrity.

 

[Saint Domingo]

Great work from Koeman after a bit if a dip mid season. He's changed formation and personnel to reverse our form. Good management.

 

[davek]

Do you don't think continuing to develop bond and grow the squad for the rest of the season is worthwhile ?
And you are so miserably down beat you can see no possibility of us catching united or at least having a really good push at it?
Dave you're a legend ... a miserable cut your own throat dibbler of a misery but a legend nonetheless.

I've already said the gelling of new players is important; but the season is a gimme to these players - no pressure = they thrive. Therefore you cant use the remainder of the season to gauge the development of manager or team. Between August and January next season we'll see what we have on out hands here. Personally, I think we'll have a recipe for a solid top half performing team. Some will be happy with that, I and a great many others wont be.

 

[davek]

Great work from Koeman after a bit if a dip mid season. He's changed formation and personnel to reverse our form. Good management.

Make your mind up, you were calling him fit to burn a couple of weeks ago.

Two results changed your opinion did it?

 

[fandjango]

I've already said the gelling of new players is important; but the season is a gimme to these players - no pressure = they thrive. Therefore you cant use the remainder of the season to gauge the development of manager or team. Between August and January next season we'll see what we have on out hands here. Personally, I think we'll have a recipe for a solid top half performing team. Some will be happy with that, I and a great many others wont be.

QED

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

What has to stop here is some creeping dragging down of definition concerning what is acceptable for a PL season. I detect over the past few weeks this numb nuts "Top Six" false ceiling has been created to try and excuse a season's failure to make a challenge. That has to be rejected and rebuffed at every turn. Our expectations cant go from top 4 to top 6/7 just because some wish to stretch out what's acceptable for a manager they have thrown their hand in with.

Top 7 this season is ok.
Top 7 next season is failure.
Not reaching Top 4 by any third season reached should result in a dismissal if we have failed to get 5th.

Anyone not working to that timetable are accepting mediocrity.

When was our expectation top 4 like?

We're off the back of 2 seasons in the bottom half, 7th would be a major movement forwards this season.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

I've already said the gelling of new players is important; but the season is a gimme to these players - no pressure = they thrive. Therefore you cant use the remainder of the season to gauge the development of manager or team. Between August and January next season we'll see what we have on out hands here. Personally, I think we'll have a recipe for a solid top half performing team. Some will be happy with that, I and a great many others wont be.

I didn't notice them thriving under the lack of pressure when we were lower mid table durge this time last season and the season before.

 

[davek]

When was our expectation top 4 like?

We're off the back of 2 seasons in the bottom half, 7th would be a major movement forwards this season.

Are you serious?

This is what I mean by the massaging down of where we should be. I suppose you subscribe to the Sensational Six elite club we cant possibly break into?

 

[Saint Domingo]

Make your mind up, you were calling him fit to burn a couple of weeks ago.

Two results changed your opinion did it?

No I said he needed to shut up and earn his money, which he now seems to be doing. Unlike you I don't have an immovable stall set out either way. I praised him for his start, criticised his handling of the cups, but have been impressed with how he's got us back on track.