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Ronald Koeman discussion

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Nymzee said:
Puel is mint at playing da kids shame they're 11th.
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Foot Long Hot Dog said:
Massive questions tonight for me. Just a load of unimaginative, sleep indulging dross. This was a poor Norwich side without a load of their key players and we just played in front of them, we didn't try to penetrate, stretch it. What do these guys coach? What are we trying to achieve in terms of a style? Boring the pants off everyone? Death by football is pretty apt. right now. I usually look forward to games but I'm starting to feel it's just one big chore and I don't pay £600 odd quid for that.


http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?57029-Puel/page13

Brown Shoes MKII lol
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Must be nice to still have a competitive season still though. One step away from a final and playing this weekend in the other cup while we have our fingers up our arses.
 

davek said:
Must be nice to still have a competitive season still though. One step away from a final and playing this weekend in the other cup while we have our fingers up our arses.
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Yet there fans are unhappy and restless. Puts the SF of the League Cup into perspective when looking at an overall picture.
Even if they win it but the league table tells them they are not that good it will not appease them.
 
Groucho said:
So leave it there.
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Right you are.

Back on topic, I liked his comments about the intensity of the training and how he thinks its going to benefit us towards the end of the season. It's really started to become evident over the last few weeks, with how well we coped with the christmas fixtures and seem to be ending every game the stronger side. Always felt like the goal was coming on Saturday.
 
Mountfield1985 said:
Right you are.

Back on topic, I liked his comments about the intensity of the training and how he thinks its going to benefit us towards the end of the season. It's really started to become evident over the last few weeks, with how well we coped with the christmas fixtures and seem to be ending every game the stronger side. Always felt like the goal was coming on Saturday.
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It was very evident on Saturday. We wore Crystal Palace down, and you can see the fitness has improved.
 

We certainly look to have turned a corner. Leicester aside, our form recently has been very good. We look better going forward and the players seem to have gained a lot of confidence. Perhaps they are understanding what Koeman wants from them or are just doing what he is asking them to do?
 
Bud McBlokeski said:
It was very evident on Saturday. We wore Crystal Palace down, and you can see the fitness has improved.
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Absolutely. And with one game a week from here on in, there's no excuse for those levels to dip. The standard has been set now.

And I'm not sure if 3-5-2 is the long term way forward, but isn't it nice to finally watch a different formation after 12 years of 4-5-1!
 
davek said:
So Koeman continued to bring youth through at S'ton did he? You wont mind demonstrating that then. The whole reason for Puel coming in was to get back to a culture of playing the ball to feet and encouraging younger players into the first team set up.

I tell you what mate, why dont we both defer to the differences S'ton fans spot between Koeman and Puel regarding the use of younger players. I think they might know more than us. They seem a reasonable bunch too:


http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?57328-Puel-v-Koeman&p=2413358#.WBDMVWNlmi4
  • So, we are just over a quarter of the way through the season, and I was wondering what people's reactions are now to our French tactician?Personally, after a gruelling Summer for a lot of our players due to the Euro's, the loss of Mane/Pelle/Wanyama, and a change of formation to the Diamond, I think we look like a better team that we did last season, and this can only be down to Puel. The way he has our team switching to and from the diamond to a fluid 4-3-3, the integration of youngsters and the superb rotation of a squad which has had a lot of games and injuries has been genius, and with more in form strikers we'd have far more wins than we do now. Yes, it is still early days, but if we can continue to play like this and build momentum I see no reason why we cannot challenge for another top 6 place. Some players are looking far better under him than Koeman, namely Romeu, Austin, Martina and JWP. We also manage to play ourselves out of trouble brilliantly at times, almost Barcelona-esque. He does however need to improve on his press conferences as this is one of the most important facets of the game now. Everton on the other hand, although they picked up a number of points in early games (and a very easy fixture list), have looked pretty abject since the early run, and are looking a bit like our recent Dec/Jan out of form teams. Everton fans are also a bit surprised at his non-use of youngsters, although obviously we know all about that. I think we may well see Everton drop off as their fixtures get harder over the coming two months. So far I see no reason to lament the loss of Koeman, and I think Puel has obviously won himself some grace to get this team playing the way he wants them to

  • Yep, I concur. Puel appears more of a football technician looking at alternatives and all aspects of a player's game. I also believe he will last more than two seasons. Koeman, like Poch, was in it to enhance his own career path towards Barca.

  • I have no problem with Koeman and you can't really argue with 7th and 6th place finishes. However three things have stood out with Puel compared to Koeman:

    1. He's been much more trusting of the young players, notably McQueen in the last couple of weeks. I think if Koeman was in charge, Yoshida would be playing at right back and Martina at left back instead.
    2. We have a much more identifiable style. Last year, particularly away from home, we just wanted to soak things up and then hope to catch someone on the break for a 1-0 victory. This year, things seem much more joined up, although it is quite difficult to specify exactly how
    3. The players seem much more praiseworthy of Puel, which is quite telling. Tadic and Mane quite clearly fell out with Koeman last year. VVD, Austin and Romeu have been gushing in their praise the last few weeks from what I've seen

    Plus, I hope Puel gives the FA Cup and/or the EL knock out stages more of a go after Christmas. You felt as though Koeman threw the cups in order to protect his Premier League bonus money

  • No one can doubt RK achievements with Saints but I never really warmed to him or his tactics and sure some utter dirge under him, away at WBA and Norwich spring straight to mind.

    CP, however, I'm liking. I don't know what he's done or how he's done it but he's got Saints playing some wonderfully fluid football where everyone is looking for the ball and wanting to attack. He's prepared to take risks with the youngsters, something RK would never do and it strikes me that he hasn't a "big" move in mind where as we all know/knew RK really wants the Barca job.

    Yes we will hit rough patches and the usual cu_nts wll be calling for his head but he's certainly impressed me with the way he's got us playing, squad management and general ethos.

  • 100% agree VFTT. Wasn't keen on him at first with some of the other options but, as ever, the club really did its homework. Some of the play right now is beautiful to watch and, on the whole, way better than under RK.

    We are well drilled, everyone knows their role and CP is not afraid to mix it up and blood the youngsters which will, in turn, make them hungrier as they know they will get a chance if they show potential.

    Hopefully the style of play will continue and we will get more clinical in front of goal: that is the one thing that is missing and if that clicks we will be as good as anyone in the League.



What, the one who's been there a quarter of the time Koeman was? Fancy that eh?!
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Very interesting posts that mate, from October when they had just ahd a couple of good results i believe, have you taken time to read any of the other threads, such as the numerous ones calling for this great new manager to be sacked? which there are many on their forums, or did you take a look at the fallout from when we smashed them all voer the shop at goodison? Strangely in that one not many blamed tiredness either - actually you came up with far more excuses why they lst than they did mate :)

As you have all that time to spend finding threads on saints forums though mate, koeman and Puel have been in their respective jobs the same number of games now, go show me how many of them have brought through into the starting team academy players, cant argue with those numbers.

Just bolded a few bits which kind of undermine all their opinions mate, they are Barca-esque, able to get top 6, play great attacking football and are so fluid.

Of course they are also sat in the bottom half of the table and have scored just 22 goals in 22 games - the 4th lowest in the league only ahead of sunderland, boro, and hull. Maybe there opinions are a bit biased and a bit for want of a better word - wrong?

it'd be like an rival fan going on here and copy pasting your posts mate and believing that as gospel because you said so, utterly amusing really :)

Carry on though - looking forward to seeing the minutes and number of players each manager has given teens etc from the academy this season mate :)
 

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