Ronald Koeman discussion

[Kurt.]

Come on people... Don't feed the troll.

 

[granter79]

You have been watching Everton lately haven't you Dave, seen any youngsters playing???

Doesn't watch us play pal.

 

[Baines' left foot]

His ruthlessness is a breath of fresh air and a real kick to the face to the easily offended princesses that exist in society today. If you're not good enough then improve or you're out. A losing mentality has plagued our club for far too long and Koeman is changing that.

 

[Baines' left foot]

Come on people... Don't feed the troll.

It's staggering that people still fall for it and try their best to argue their points.

 

[ianefc]

 

[ianefc]

Vs

 

[TheCount]

Too busy playing golf when he should be playing da yoof

 

[ryanbeno80]

We desperately needed 6 or 7 players before Jan, now I don't think we need any more before the summer, but it would be a big bonus if we could get one more!

RK has introduced Holgate and Davies at the right time who have had the impact of 2 new, quality signings. Schnieds is a top addition and Lookman looks like he's going to immediately improve the 1st team and finally the combination of the above and the slight role change has allowed Barkley to return to his best.

Impressive work by RK over the past few weeks IMO, we look different team at a new level with only 2 additions (neither of whom have started a game) and we still have Gana to come back.

 

[davek]

Firstly the proof you provided was an interview with puel where he stated his job outline included continuing bringing through youth, continuing a key word Dave, his own word, not to restart the process, to continue, which would suggest there's never been a break from it, maybe just maybe there young players right now aren't good enough?

So Koeman continued to bring youth through at S'ton did he? You wont mind demonstrating that then. The whole reason for Puel coming in was to get back to a culture of playing the ball to feet and encouraging younger players into the first team set up.

I tell you what mate, why dont we both defer to the differences S'ton fans spot between Koeman and Puel regarding the use of younger players. I think they might know more than us. They seem a reasonable bunch too:


http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?57328-Puel-v-Koeman&p=2413358#.WBDMVWNlmi4

• So, we are just over a quarter of the way through the season, and I was wondering what people's reactions are now to our French tactician?Personally, after a gruelling Summer for a lot of our players due to the Euro's, the loss of Mane/Pelle/Wanyama, and a change of formation to the Diamond, I think we look like a better team that we did last season, and this can only be down to Puel. The way he has our team switching to and from the diamond to a fluid 4-3-3, the integration of youngsters and the superb rotation of a squad which has had a lot of games and injuries has been genius, and with more in form strikers we'd have far more wins than we do now. Yes, it is still early days, but if we can continue to play like this and build momentum I see no reason why we cannot challenge for another top 6 place. Some players are looking far better under him than Koeman, namely Romeu, Austin, Martina and JWP. We also manage to play ourselves out of trouble brilliantly at times, almost Barcelona-esque. He does however need to improve on his press conferences as this is one of the most important facets of the game now. Everton on the other hand, although they picked up a number of points in early games (and a very easy fixture list), have looked pretty abject since the early run, and are looking a bit like our recent Dec/Jan out of form teams. Everton fans are also a bit surprised at his non-use of youngsters, although obviously we know all about that. I think we may well see Everton drop off as their fixtures get harder over the coming two months. So far I see no reason to lament the loss of Koeman, and I think Puel has obviously won himself some grace to get this team playing the way he wants them to

• Yep, I concur. Puel appears more of a football technician looking at alternatives and all aspects of a player's game. I also believe he will last more than two seasons. Koeman, like Poch, was in it to enhance his own career path towards Barca.

• I have no problem with Koeman and you can't really argue with 7th and 6th place finishes. However three things have stood out with Puel compared to Koeman:
  
  1. He's been much more trusting of the young players, notably McQueen in the last couple of weeks. I think if Koeman was in charge, Yoshida would be playing at right back and Martina at left back instead.
  2. We have a much more identifiable style. Last year, particularly away from home, we just wanted to soak things up and then hope to catch someone on the break for a 1-0 victory. This year, things seem much more joined up, although it is quite difficult to specify exactly how
  3. The players seem much more praiseworthy of Puel, which is quite telling. Tadic and Mane quite clearly fell out with Koeman last year. VVD, Austin and Romeu have been gushing in their praise the last few weeks from what I've seen
  
  Plus, I hope Puel gives the FA Cup and/or the EL knock out stages more of a go after Christmas. You felt as though Koeman threw the cups in order to protect his Premier League bonus money

• No one can doubt RK achievements with Saints but I never really warmed to him or his tactics and sure some utter dirge under him, away at WBA and Norwich spring straight to mind.
  
  CP, however, I'm liking. I don't know what he's done or how he's done it but he's got Saints playing some wonderfully fluid football where everyone is looking for the ball and wanting to attack. He's prepared to take risks with the youngsters, something RK would never do and it strikes me that he hasn't a "big" move in mind where as we all know/knew RK really wants the Barca job.
  
  Yes we will hit rough patches and the usual cu_nts wll be calling for his head but he's certainly impressed me with the way he's got us playing, squad management and general ethos.

• 100% agree VFTT. Wasn't keen on him at first with some of the other options but, as ever, the club really did its homework. Some of the play right now is beautiful to watch and, on the whole, way better than under RK.
  
  We are well drilled, everyone knows their role and CP is not afraid to mix it up and blood the youngsters which will, in turn, make them hungrier as they know they will get a chance if they show potential.
  
  Hopefully the style of play will continue and we will get more clinical in front of goal: that is the one thing that is missing and if that clicks we will be as good as anyone in the League.

Here's proof to counter your claims, Koeman has so far given more minutes and starts to young players in the league than the current saints manager, is that just a curious fact your ignoring as it doesn't fit the agenda tthough?

What, the one who's been there a quarter of the time Koeman was? Fancy that eh?!

 

[Thomasc]

This backs up the feeling and also what Esk suggested a while back. The whole mindset of the club needed changing.

We have had years of Kenwright and his luvvy family club / peoples club horse crap, which is great on the community side of the business, but not really what mindset you want from your playing side, we need ruthless and people who actually want to win and are prepared to upset a few applecarts to get there.

 

[davek]

Koeman gave minutes to Targett and Reed when he was there as well as making JWP a must starter.

This season they've only had 3 other players getting PL minutes of which two are nowhere to be seen lately. McQueen was a "force your hand" stop gap at left-back since he's a left mid and Puel said he didn't even know if he could play left-back.

Whilst Southampton's academy is renowned they aren't going to bring through PL quality every year; no one can.

By saying their academy has faultered due to two years of Koeman is just stupid since he's not the one training the academy. You'd know if their players were good enough because they'd be challenging for the - at the time - U21 league title. Funnily enough they were poor which wasn't Koeman's responsibility whatsoever.

He fell out with Ward Prowse.

 

[wilfjacko]

So Koeman continued to bring youth through at S'ton did he? You wont mind demonstrating that then. The whole reason for Puel coming in was to get back to a culture of playing the ball to feet and encouraging younger players into the first team set up.

I tell you what mate, why dont we both defer to the differences S'ton fans spot between Koeman and Puel regarding the use of younger players. I think they might know more than us. They seem a reasonable bunch too:


http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?57328-Puel-v-Koeman&p=2413358#.WBDMVWNlmi4

• So, we are just over a quarter of the way through the season, and I was wondering what people's reactions are now to our French tactician?Personally, after a gruelling Summer for a lot of our players due to the Euro's, the loss of Mane/Pelle/Wanyama, and a change of formation to the Diamond, I think we look like a better team that we did last season, and this can only be down to Puel. The way he has our team switching to and from the diamond to a fluid 4-3-3, the integration of youngsters and the superb rotation of a squad which has had a lot of games and injuries has been genius, and with more in form strikers we'd have far more wins than we do now. Yes, it is still early days, but if we can continue to play like this and build momentum I see no reason why we cannot challenge for another top 6 place. Some players are looking far better under him than Koeman, namely Romeu, Austin, Martina and JWP. We also manage to play ourselves out of trouble brilliantly at times, almost Barcelona-esque. He does however need to improve on his press conferences as this is one of the most important facets of the game now. Everton on the other hand, although they picked up a number of points in early games (and a very easy fixture list), have looked pretty abject since the early run, and are looking a bit like our recent Dec/Jan out of form teams. Everton fans are also a bit surprised at his non-use of youngsters, although obviously we know all about that. I think we may well see Everton drop off as their fixtures get harder over the coming two months. So far I see no reason to lament the loss of Koeman, and I think Puel has obviously won himself some grace to get this team playing the way he wants them to

• Yep, I concur. Puel appears more of a football technician looking at alternatives and all aspects of a player's game. I also believe he will last more than two seasons. Koeman, like Poch, was in it to enhance his own career path towards Barca.

• I have no problem with Koeman and you can't really argue with 7th and 6th place finishes. However three things have stood out with Puel compared to Koeman:
  
  1. He's been much more trusting of the young players, notably McQueen in the last couple of weeks. I think if Koeman was in charge, Yoshida would be playing at right back and Martina at left back instead.
  2. We have a much more identifiable style. Last year, particularly away from home, we just wanted to soak things up and then hope to catch someone on the break for a 1-0 victory. This year, things seem much more joined up, although it is quite difficult to specify exactly how
  3. The players seem much more praiseworthy of Puel, which is quite telling. Tadic and Mane quite clearly fell out with Koeman last year. VVD, Austin and Romeu have been gushing in their praise the last few weeks from what I've seen
  
  Plus, I hope Puel gives the FA Cup and/or the EL knock out stages more of a go after Christmas. You felt as though Koeman threw the cups in order to protect his Premier League bonus money

• No one can doubt RK achievements with Saints but I never really warmed to him or his tactics and sure some utter dirge under him, away at WBA and Norwich spring straight to mind.
  
  CP, however, I'm liking. I don't know what he's done or how he's done it but he's got Saints playing some wonderfully fluid football where everyone is looking for the ball and wanting to attack. He's prepared to take risks with the youngsters, something RK would never do and it strikes me that he hasn't a "big" move in mind where as we all know/knew RK really wants the Barca job.
  
  Yes we will hit rough patches and the usual cu_nts wll be calling for his head but he's certainly impressed me with the way he's got us playing, squad management and general ethos.

• 100% agree VFTT. Wasn't keen on him at first with some of the other options but, as ever, the club really did its homework. Some of the play right now is beautiful to watch and, on the whole, way better than under RK.
  
  We are well drilled, everyone knows their role and CP is not afraid to mix it up and blood the youngsters which will, in turn, make them hungrier as they know they will get a chance if they show potential.
  
  Hopefully the style of play will continue and we will get more clinical in front of goal: that is the one thing that is missing and if that clicks we will be as good as anyone in the League.

What, the one who's been there a quarter of the time Koeman was? Fancy that eh?!

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

 

[Thomasc]

imagine being so bent out of shape and frothing at the mouth that you had to try and prove to an Everton forum that the new Southampton manager had better virtues than the current Everton manager.

Bore off, you are beyond tired and tedious!

 

[Saint Domingo]

So Koeman continued to bring youth through at S'ton did he? You wont mind demonstrating that then. The whole reason for Puel coming in was to get back to a culture of playing the ball to feet and encouraging younger players into the first team set up.

I tell you what mate, why dont we both defer to the differences S'ton fans spot between Koeman and Puel regarding the use of younger players. I think they might know more than us. They seem a reasonable bunch too:


http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?57328-Puel-v-Koeman&p=2413358#.WBDMVWNlmi4

• So, we are just over a quarter of the way through the season, and I was wondering what people's reactions are now to our French tactician?Personally, after a gruelling Summer for a lot of our players due to the Euro's, the loss of Mane/Pelle/Wanyama, and a change of formation to the Diamond, I think we look like a better team that we did last season, and this can only be down to Puel. The way he has our team switching to and from the diamond to a fluid 4-3-3, the integration of youngsters and the superb rotation of a squad which has had a lot of games and injuries has been genius, and with more in form strikers we'd have far more wins than we do now. Yes, it is still early days, but if we can continue to play like this and build momentum I see no reason why we cannot challenge for another top 6 place. Some players are looking far better under him than Koeman, namely Romeu, Austin, Martina and JWP. We also manage to play ourselves out of trouble brilliantly at times, almost Barcelona-esque. He does however need to improve on his press conferences as this is one of the most important facets of the game now. Everton on the other hand, although they picked up a number of points in early games (and a very easy fixture list), have looked pretty abject since the early run, and are looking a bit like our recent Dec/Jan out of form teams. Everton fans are also a bit surprised at his non-use of youngsters, although obviously we know all about that. I think we may well see Everton drop off as their fixtures get harder over the coming two months. So far I see no reason to lament the loss of Koeman, and I think Puel has obviously won himself some grace to get this team playing the way he wants them to

• Yep, I concur. Puel appears more of a football technician looking at alternatives and all aspects of a player's game. I also believe he will last more than two seasons. Koeman, like Poch, was in it to enhance his own career path towards Barca.

• I have no problem with Koeman and you can't really argue with 7th and 6th place finishes. However three things have stood out with Puel compared to Koeman:
  
  1. He's been much more trusting of the young players, notably McQueen in the last couple of weeks. I think if Koeman was in charge, Yoshida would be playing at right back and Martina at left back instead.
  2. We have a much more identifiable style. Last year, particularly away from home, we just wanted to soak things up and then hope to catch someone on the break for a 1-0 victory. This year, things seem much more joined up, although it is quite difficult to specify exactly how
  3. The players seem much more praiseworthy of Puel, which is quite telling. Tadic and Mane quite clearly fell out with Koeman last year. VVD, Austin and Romeu have been gushing in their praise the last few weeks from what I've seen
  
  Plus, I hope Puel gives the FA Cup and/or the EL knock out stages more of a go after Christmas. You felt as though Koeman threw the cups in order to protect his Premier League bonus money

• No one can doubt RK achievements with Saints but I never really warmed to him or his tactics and sure some utter dirge under him, away at WBA and Norwich spring straight to mind.
  
  CP, however, I'm liking. I don't know what he's done or how he's done it but he's got Saints playing some wonderfully fluid football where everyone is looking for the ball and wanting to attack. He's prepared to take risks with the youngsters, something RK would never do and it strikes me that he hasn't a "big" move in mind where as we all know/knew RK really wants the Barca job.
  
  Yes we will hit rough patches and the usual cu_nts wll be calling for his head but he's certainly impressed me with the way he's got us playing, squad management and general ethos.

• 100% agree VFTT. Wasn't keen on him at first with some of the other options but, as ever, the club really did its homework. Some of the play right now is beautiful to watch and, on the whole, way better than under RK.
  
  We are well drilled, everyone knows their role and CP is not afraid to mix it up and blood the youngsters which will, in turn, make them hungrier as they know they will get a chance if they show potential.
  
  Hopefully the style of play will continue and we will get more clinical in front of goal: that is the one thing that is missing and if that clicks we will be as good as anyone in the League.

What, the one who's been there a quarter of the time Koeman was? Fancy that eh?!

I'm sure when they're finishing bottom half with no Europe that all the Southampton fans will be made up that Puel at least brought through a few kids (even if they're not good enough).

Southampton are getting worse, I think quite a few if they put their bitterness aside would gladly have Koeman back.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

So Koeman continued to bring youth through at S'ton did he? You wont mind demonstrating that then. The whole reason for Puel coming in was to get back to a culture of playing the ball to feet and encouraging younger players into the first team set up.

I tell you what mate, why dont we both defer to the differences S'ton fans spot between Koeman and Puel regarding the use of younger players. I think they might know more than us. They seem a reasonable bunch too:


http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?57328-Puel-v-Koeman&p=2413358#.WBDMVWNlmi4

• So, we are just over a quarter of the way through the season, and I was wondering what people's reactions are now to our French tactician?Personally, after a gruelling Summer for a lot of our players due to the Euro's, the loss of Mane/Pelle/Wanyama, and a change of formation to the Diamond, I think we look like a better team that we did last season, and this can only be down to Puel. The way he has our team switching to and from the diamond to a fluid 4-3-3, the integration of youngsters and the superb rotation of a squad which has had a lot of games and injuries has been genius, and with more in form strikers we'd have far more wins than we do now. Yes, it is still early days, but if we can continue to play like this and build momentum I see no reason why we cannot challenge for another top 6 place. Some players are looking far better under him than Koeman, namely Romeu, Austin, Martina and JWP. We also manage to play ourselves out of trouble brilliantly at times, almost Barcelona-esque. He does however need to improve on his press conferences as this is one of the most important facets of the game now. Everton on the other hand, although they picked up a number of points in early games (and a very easy fixture list), have looked pretty abject since the early run, and are looking a bit like our recent Dec/Jan out of form teams. Everton fans are also a bit surprised at his non-use of youngsters, although obviously we know all about that. I think we may well see Everton drop off as their fixtures get harder over the coming two months. So far I see no reason to lament the loss of Koeman, and I think Puel has obviously won himself some grace to get this team playing the way he wants them to

• Yep, I concur. Puel appears more of a football technician looking at alternatives and all aspects of a player's game. I also believe he will last more than two seasons. Koeman, like Poch, was in it to enhance his own career path towards Barca.

• I have no problem with Koeman and you can't really argue with 7th and 6th place finishes. However three things have stood out with Puel compared to Koeman:
  
  1. He's been much more trusting of the young players, notably McQueen in the last couple of weeks. I think if Koeman was in charge, Yoshida would be playing at right back and Martina at left back instead.
  2. We have a much more identifiable style. Last year, particularly away from home, we just wanted to soak things up and then hope to catch someone on the break for a 1-0 victory. This year, things seem much more joined up, although it is quite difficult to specify exactly how
  3. The players seem much more praiseworthy of Puel, which is quite telling. Tadic and Mane quite clearly fell out with Koeman last year. VVD, Austin and Romeu have been gushing in their praise the last few weeks from what I've seen
  
  Plus, I hope Puel gives the FA Cup and/or the EL knock out stages more of a go after Christmas. You felt as though Koeman threw the cups in order to protect his Premier League bonus money

• No one can doubt RK achievements with Saints but I never really warmed to him or his tactics and sure some utter dirge under him, away at WBA and Norwich spring straight to mind.
  
  CP, however, I'm liking. I don't know what he's done or how he's done it but he's got Saints playing some wonderfully fluid football where everyone is looking for the ball and wanting to attack. He's prepared to take risks with the youngsters, something RK would never do and it strikes me that he hasn't a "big" move in mind where as we all know/knew RK really wants the Barca job.
  
  Yes we will hit rough patches and the usual cu_nts wll be calling for his head but he's certainly impressed me with the way he's got us playing, squad management and general ethos.

• 100% agree VFTT. Wasn't keen on him at first with some of the other options but, as ever, the club really did its homework. Some of the play right now is beautiful to watch and, on the whole, way better than under RK.
  
  We are well drilled, everyone knows their role and CP is not afraid to mix it up and blood the youngsters which will, in turn, make them hungrier as they know they will get a chance if they show potential.
  
  Hopefully the style of play will continue and we will get more clinical in front of goal: that is the one thing that is missing and if that clicks we will be as good as anyone in the League.

What, the one who's been there a quarter of the time Koeman was? Fancy that eh?!

Taken from back in October, a quick read of that forum in the present, shows that they think his football is boring and up until yesterday they'd lost 4 league games on the bounce.

#fail