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Ronald Koeman discussion

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Dave Koeman is playing Davies and Holgate as we're sweeping City aside 4-0. Jagielka and McCarthy are on the bench. What more do you want? Koeman obviously plays kids if he thinks they're good enough. This isn't a development programme or a finishing school. We're trying to compete at the top end of the toughest league in the world and he's throwing in two teenagers, three if Calvert Lewin hadn't been injured. No other managers are doing this. You're barking up the wrong tree here basing a whole argument on two seasons at Southampton were they had no decent kids coming through.
 
Saint Domingo said:
Koeman's Southampton had a great finish to their season last year. If that trait comes out in us as well we could seriously push some of the top 6.
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Yep. Consider also we have yet to pay Utd at OT so if we are able to pull off a win there however unlikely it may be, that's the gap between us and them down to 2 pts.
 
jceverton said:
I think that's reasonable comment. I haven't been impressed with him so far and think he's limited as a manager. However he's picked up recently after finally settling on a formation which suits the players we have. My biggest gripe has been the football we've been playing and the lack of involvement/intergration of younger players in the squad. Both have picked up recently and he's got the tactics & formation spot on in the last 2 games. I hope he continues like this and brings in a couple more of the youngsters. Because you can't have enough boss young scousers in the team!
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What are you talking about?, he has integrated Holgate (been getting game time since the first game of the season) and Davies (has been pretty much in every match day squad from start of season), Lookman has had game time straight away, Koeman has managed us for a mere 25 matches, how many youth players do you honestly expect to be integrated into a premier league team in a managers first 6 months? Who are you expecting should be promoted from the youth set up and who are you dropping to make room? Or more succinctly... What do you think should be a rational and realistic strategy for a premier league team to follow?

I do agree that the football we've been playing overall has been horrible but the shouts for more youth is crazy, bring them in one at a time, let that individual settle and prove himself then move on to the next IF there is one with enough promise, personally made up with the 3 involved now...
 
Saint Domingo said:
Dave Koeman is playing Davies and Holgate as we're sweeping City aside 4-0. Jagielka and McCarthy are on the bench. What more do you want? Koeman obviously plays kids if he thinks they're good enough. This isn't a development programme or a finishing school. We're trying to compete at the top end of the toughest league in the world and he's throwing in two teenagers, three if Calvert Lewin hadn't been injured. No other managers are doing this. You're barking up the wrong tree here basing a whole argument on two seasons at Southampton were they had no decent kids coming through.
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Who's 'Dave Koeman?'
 

davek said:
Ha ha. You asked for

A) direct quotes from Koeman about how he distrusts playing younger players - provided
B) evidence of Southampton youngsters now getting a chance again post Koeman - provided

Not one acknowledgement from you...and you then have the gall to ask me to clarify more obvious points for you.

Unreal.

Someone stick a fork in this lad, he's done.
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Firstly the proof you provided was an interview with puel where he stated his job outline included continuing bringing through youth, continuing a key word Dave, his own word, not to restart the process, to continue, which would suggest there's never been a break from it, maybe just maybe there young players right now aren't good enough?

Here's proof to counter your claims, Koeman has so far given more minutes and starts to young players in the league than the current saints manager, is that just a curious fact your ignoring as it doesn't fit the agenda tthough?

Also why are you looking at koeman and basing your opinion on one interview and one example at one club, ignoring every other job he's had and how young players where handled there?

Stick a fork in me I'm done... too late for you mate, you burnt to a crisp a long time ago, genuinely find your posts a bit amusing lately as your going to further and further weird places to find proof your right.

Only blue I know that we could go do ish 4th-5th this year and you'd be complaining it's not pretty enough and we only play kids cos the park end made him do it...
 
davek said:
Me too. And there's no denying his own words in print, a point of view he expressed at Southampton and here a couple of times.

He's played a few younger players of late because his hand was forced.

Hopefully he's learning a big lesson.
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Who forced his hand Dave?
 
Koeman gave minutes to Targett and Reed when he was there as well as making JWP a must starter.

This season they've only had 3 other players getting PL minutes of which two are nowhere to be seen lately. McQueen was a "force your hand" stop gap at left-back since he's a left mid and Puel said he didn't even know if he could play left-back.

Whilst Southampton's academy is renowned they aren't going to bring through PL quality every year; no one can.

By saying their academy has faultered due to two years of Koeman is just stupid since he's not the one training the academy. You'd know if their players were good enough because they'd be challenging for the - at the time - U21 league title. Funnily enough they were poor which wasn't Koeman's responsibility whatsoever.
 
Nymzee said:
Koeman gave minutes to Targett and Reed when he was there as well as making JWP a must starter.

This season they've only had 3 other players getting PL minutes of which two are nowhere to be seen lately. McQueen was a "force your hand" stop gap at left-back since he's a left mid and Puel said he didn't even know if he could play left-back.

Whilst Southampton's academy is renowned they aren't going to bring through PL quality every year; no one can.

By saying their academy has faultered due to two years of Koeman is just stupid since he's not the one training the academy. You'd know if their players were good enough because they'd be challenging for the - at the time - U21 league title. Funnily enough they were poor which wasn't Koeman's responsibility whatsoever.
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How many academy players,made the grade at United in the ten years or so after the class of 92, how many made it at us after Rooney. Simple fact is even the best academies have golden spells and droughts.

Saints fans moaned at Koeman cos they are a team with a financial model which relies on producing youth players to sell or to replace stars they are selling etc, and if it dries up then they face a real danger. Looks like it has dried up there atm. And there sensible fans who actual watch the kids have long said there isn't much there, just there versions of davek scream and holler about him not playing them, when they actually have no knowledge of there youth teams.

Love all this talk from Dave though about how Koeman killed there youth setup, the very saints team that sells them soon as the good ones break through anyway.
 

It's all about timing with young players. Josh sims wasn't that good against us and the Southampton fans use this to beat Koeman up to make themselves feel better. Koeman got them back at the home game and played our kids who are good enough. He will drop Davies as he will hit poor form but right now he managing Holgate and Davies perfect.
 

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