Ronald Koeman discussion

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davek said:
No, I have not judged him 'unfairly' at all. I respond to changing styles of playing and the results we're getting. Did it pass you by that we'd had about three wins in something like 15/16 games until recently and playing route one stuff? That stops and the criticism stops.

The only outstanding issue for me atm is his character, which I cant take to. I think he's acted like a big soft lad over McCarthy and Ireland. Barkley, Niasse and the new kid Donkor, and his advice to Lukaku was pathetic.
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No it didn't pass me by. We were on a horrible run. It didn't make him a horrible manager. Just like the current run, or the first 5 games of the season, doesn't make him a world class manager.

Your reaction to the poor run was to slate him for absolutely everything you could think of. Your reaction to the good run is "I'm toning down the criticism until he fails again".

The Donkor thing is a non-issue and you know it. He's brought the best out of Barkley. Lukaku has gone up another level. And Niasse was never going to make it at Everton. Players who can't handle the new standards he is setting are being bombed out, and ones who are stepping up (like Barkley) are looking all the better for it.

Yes you judge him unfairly. And we all know why. :coffee:
 

davek said:
The problem is that you dont treat people like something you've trodden in.

Football isn't a feudal order with masters and serfs.
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In football the ends justify the means. Want to be a man of the people? No problem if you're Carlo Ancelloti cuddling your way to 3 European cups. Big problem if you're El conquistador phenomenaling his way to the worst home record in our history. Want to be a dictator? No problem if you are currently coaxing Barkley Lukaku and Robles' best ever form out of them. Again a bit of a problem though if half the squad revolt like Chelsea did last season.

This squad has needed a kick up the arse for about 7 years. Everyone could see it. Koeman is currently striking the right balance. I was critical of his handling of Niasse but every manager has this type of case on their record. Again look st the end product, he's happy playing and scoring and we may recoup most of our money. Had Koeman played nicey nice with a player he didn't rate he'd be sat in the stands quite happily picking up 50k a week.
 
4737carlin said:
If you watch it again Morgan is the main man in that build up, ball comes to him more then once, always available, always picking out the killer pass
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To me, he looks wide all the time instinctively. Ironically Martinez would have been delighted with him. Compare that to Barkley who instinctively looks for a forward pass. That's the difference in quality. It's why @bluestevon 's analogy with Carrick earlier is slightly awry, imo. Carrick was/is also a player who looks ahead and will only go wide as a secondary option.
 

Saint Domingo said:
In football the ends justify the means. Want to be a man of the people? No problem if you're Carlo Ancelloti cuddling your way to 3 European cups. Big problem if you're El conquistador phenomenaling his way to the worst home record in our history. Want to be a dictator? No problem if you are currently coaxing Barkley Lukaku and Robles' best ever form out of them. Again a bit of a problem though if half the squad revolt like Chelsea did last season.

This squad has needed a kick up the arse for about 7 years. Everyone could see it. Koeman is currently striking the right balance. I was critical of his handling of Niasse but every manager has this type of case on their record. Again look st the end product, he's happy playing and scoring and we may recoup most of our money. Had Koeman played nicey nice with a player he didn't rate he'd be sat in the stands quite happily picking up 50k a week.
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Ways and means lad.

Dont confuse being a disciplinarian with acting like a snide. The two aren't the same.
 
Thomasc said:
I have him on ignore now, so won't be bothering again, like you say, it's pointless and a tad predictable. My last word on it though is it is self inflicted and childish and a very sad way for a grown man to live his life. There is little point in debating, some of the absolute garbage he types is so ridiculous it is non debatable.

A bit like you with your blind hatred for Koeman, but at least I get that you are honest and open about it.

This is an Everton forum though, so when posters are so anti- Everton about something, you are going to get slated.

99% of the forum want to see Everton do well. The likes of you and the aforementioned come across as you would prefer this not to be the case, as your ridiculous stance on the manager is more important to you and you want to be proven right if he fails.
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So now you're accusing two Evertonians of wanting the team to lose rather than the manager succeed.

I don't think that's very fair, I can still hate Koeman but I reserve the right to change my opinion of him over time.
 
davek said:
To me, he looks wide all the time instinctively. Ironically Martinez would have been delighted with him. Compare that to Barkley who instinctively looks for a forward pass. That's the difference in quality. It's why @bluestevon 's analogy with Carrick earlier is slightly awry, imo. Carrick was/is also a player who looks ahead and will only go wide as a secondary option.
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Schneidrlin played the forward pass in that move that got the ball into Lukaku Dave.
 
Zatara said:
So now you're accusing two Evertonians of wanting the team to lose rather than the manager succeed.

I don't think that's very fair, I can still hate Koeman but I reserve the right to change my opinion of him over time.
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But you never will Zat.

Be honest, you will always be wanting him to fail.
 

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