Install the app
How to install the app on iOS

Follow along with the video below to see how to install our site as a web app on your home screen.

Note: This feature may not be available in some browsers.

 

Ronald Koeman discussion

Status
Not open for further replies.
bluestevon said:
Ok Dave here's the stats , last season saint played the 7th fewest long balls in the league, 67 per game to be precise.
Everton played the 4th most per game with 73.
So please now explain how last season wasn't hoofball?
Also explain why you never criticised this style of football last season mate?
Can you also explain why your insistent that koeman is a long ball manager when the stats last season prove he preferred it on the deck more than saint Bobby Brown shoes did?
Click to expand...

Possibly, Jags' long diagonal 'passes', as opposed to Williams' hoofs?
Anyway, a thing of the past apparently, as RK doesn't like long ball, so we're to get used to the footy played on the deck. Which is good as our better performances have been played that way.
 
feyenoordmiddle1.png

But OK
 

blupedro said:
Change the year Dave - as originally claimed
https://www.premierleague.com/stats/top/clubs/total_long_balls?se=42
Click to expand...
Most embarrassing long ball stat (for those that like them to use as weaponry in support of Koeman) is that he now has us as 3rd highest proponent of long balls while his old club Southampton now are 17th least likely to use the tactic.

I think the stats game is a load of bollocks tbh, but for those that insist on using them that's a bit toe curling.
 
davek said:
Koeman hasn't faced any obstacles yet. He hasn't had to as you get the first season as a free pass unless it's a disaster. The first season for me is important in determining what sort of style and system the new man brings. On that score it has until very recently been concerning. To say that it looked like a car crash is to underplay it.

As said, I'm still not sure how it'll turn out. He's started off very direct and that's the way three of his four major signings look like it will be permanently heading. Presently we play with a lot more control and it's paying off. But I'm unsure it'll be the way he wants to set up next season.
Click to expand...

I don't get it. Our style of play is put us in 7th. Koeman's style of play put him above Everton the two prior years. It looked like a car crash? Then what did our style of play look like under Roberto?

Having an identy as a club is important, but it's pretty obvious that good managers need to adjust the way the team plays based on the opponent. I think it's also obvious that Koeman has done that. I also think it's ridiculous not to judge a manager based on his first season. Of course he's not going to have brought in his players, yet. But laying down standards and creating an environment that will get the best out of the players he's got is important, as is moving out the players that don't meet those standards ASAP. That's WAY more important than establish a style of play, which is going to change depending on the players the manager acquires in the future.
 
CRIMHEAD said:
I don't get it. Our style of play is put us in 7th. Koeman's style of play put him above Everton the two prior years. It looked like a car crash? Then what did our style of play look like under Roberto?

Having an identy as a club is important, but it's pretty obvious that good managers need to adjust the way the team plays based on the opponent. I think it's also obvious that Koeman has done that. I also think it's ridiculous not to judge a manager based on his first season. Of course he's not going to have brought in his players, yet. But laying down standards and creating an environment that will get the best out of the players he's got is important, as is moving out the players that don't meet those standards ASAP. That's WAY more important than establish a style of play, which is going to change depending on the players the manager acquires in the future.
Click to expand...
It's simple for me mate: results wise this has been a very decent first season. Performance wise it's been a confusing mixed bag of styles and tactics.

As said, I think that gets ironed out next season, I'm just concerned it'll get resolved in a style direction I personally can't stick.
 
davek said:
It's simple for me mate: results wise this has been a very decent first season. Performance wise it's been a confusing mixed bag of styles and tactics.

As said, I think that gets ironed out next season, I'm just concerned it'll get resolved in a style direction I personally can't stick.
Click to expand...

Fair response and it makes sense and is consistent with your skeptical attitude on Koeman. I would be more concerned if he didn't have a body of work already in the same league with a side that doesn't have half the prestige and brand as Everton.

And wouldn't having a bunch of players he didn't pick almost DEMAND more variety in styles and tactics? I guess I somewhat expect a first year manager to do quite a bit of this type of work.
 
davek said:
Most embarrassing long ball stat (for those that like them to use as weaponry in support of Koeman) is that he now has us as 3rd highest proponent of long balls while his old club Southampton now are 17th least likely to use the tactic.

I think the stats game is a load of bollocks tbh, but for those that insist on using them that's a bit toe curling.
Click to expand...

Meh - stats are just tools, it's the analysis/interpretation that matters.

My beautiful, slender toes extend gracefully towards the glorious blue sky.
 

davek said:
It's simple for me mate: results wise this has been a very decent first season. Performance wise it's been a confusing mixed bag of styles and tactics.

As said, I think that gets ironed out next season, I'm just concerned it'll get resolved in a style direction I personally can't stick.
Click to expand...

Understand your concerns mate. The football from October to early December was truly horrendous. Think it was more a case of low confidence and Koeman having little faith in some players. Now that the dust has settled and confidence is up I believe we'll always see the team trying to get the ball down and play first. I think Koeman's inclined to mix it up a bit more which I'm okay with as long as on the deck and constructing moves is our bread and butter. Like you say though, we won't really know until we see what players come in next summer, but whereas your gut is saying more direct, I think we'll look to improve the midfield for a more passing game .
 
I think all in here can agree that the 1st season performance for a new manager can provide something of an 'outlier' as regards continued future performance/results
I retain guarded optimism for the future with RK. I say "guarded" because I, like most Evertonians, have been badly let down by 'false dawns' before .
 
davek said:
Most embarrassing long ball stat (for those that like them to use as weaponry in support of Koeman) is that he now has us as 3rd highest proponent of long balls while his old club Southampton now are 17th least likely to use the tactic.

I think the stats game is a load of bollocks tbh, but for those that insist on using them that's a bit toe curling.
Click to expand...
Prefer the games won statistic myself.
 
davek said:
It's simple for me mate: results wise this has been a very decent first season. Performance wise it's been a confusing mixed bag of styles and tactics.

As said, I think that gets ironed out next season, I'm just concerned it'll get resolved in a style direction I personally can't stick.
Click to expand...

I would expect tactics to be flexible though no?
I think you mean "Style wise" to want to play football on the deck with movement and pace.
 

Status
Not open for further replies.

Welcome to GrandOldTeam

Get involved. Registration is simple and free.

Register
Back
Top