Ronald Koeman discussion

[Thomasc]

Good to see positivity again, let's just hope we don't "Everton" this up like usual.

Or was that just the old Everton? Not this new era we are entering.

One defeat will bring the naysayers out again, as sure as eggs are eggs.

If we can get a really positive result Saturday we are really back in the mix for now.

Davies, Gana and Schneids fills me with hope.

 

[Goat]

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/everton-can-exploit-top-fours-12583075

Everton can exploit top four's weaknesses, says Koeman
Blues boss believes his side can 'shake up' the race for the Champions League spots

@MorgsGoat

But ok, Ronny knows the score.

 

[hetion]

But ok, Ronny knows the score.

And these are the results what we like.

 

[LABlue2]

I'd like to see a video of all the errors leading to goals over the last 4 years, just out of morbid curiosity

Jagielka Stones and Howard no doubt will feature heavily.

 

[Yankfootball1]

We know how quickly things change. I'll stick with my point earlier today that no one here knows what a Koeman team looks like at Everton yet. That'll unfold after the next transfer window and the games up to next Christmas. All we can do so far is say what has happened in the short term. IMO that's been an abandonment of a needless long ball game to one that makes proper use of the players here presently...something I expected a manager billed as pragmatic would have done from the outset.

I think this is pretty fair - I backed Martinez right until about (February-ish) when it was clear the team had completely tuned him out. I didn't rush to judge then and wont now as we are only about 7 months into Koeman. We all were excited about RM Year 1 at this time. We know how that turned out. I would say though that even a good manager depending on the situation probably needs more than 18 months to know if he is going to be a consistent success with a club. Too many variables - a couple of key injuries depending on club depth can have a huge impact on results and tactics. Not everyone takes those into account because off biases with the hiring in the first place or the emotion of your team losing.

You're not a fan of RK, a perfectly reasonable opinion as those that weren't fans of RM. As far as RK goes I thought he was a safe choice and would bring some credibility as a coach to players, as he was an incredible player and over the long haul won titles and trophys - even if not as prestigious as the PL or FA cup on more than one occasion. That will get you credibility initially and get the players attention. He could also speak with credibility about what you need to do as an individual to achieve success. You then have to prove the tactical side over time and where great players might prove to not be great managers (re: Gullit). That is where we will need to judge, 2 years from now if he is still here and achieving results. What I do think is undeniable is he doesn't give false praise, the team is playing better, and at this point he has the respect of the players. I hope all these things continue.

 

[argietoffee]

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I think this is pretty fair - I backed Martinez right until about (February-ish) when it was clear the team had completely tuned him out. I didn't rush to judge then and wont now as we are only about 7 months into Koeman. We all were excited about RM Year 1 at this time. We know how that turned out. I would say though that even a good manager depending on the situation probably needs more than 18 months to know if he is going to be a consistent success with a club. Too many variables - a couple of key injuries depending on club depth can have a huge impact on results and tactics. Not everyone takes those into account because off biases with the hiring in the first place or the emotion of your team losing.

You're not a fan of RK, a perfectly reasonable opinion as those that weren't fans of RM. As far as RK goes I thought he was a safe choice and would bring some credibility as a coach to players, as he was an incredible player and even over the long haul won titles and trophys - even if not as prestigious as the PL or FA cup on more than one occasion. That will get you credibility initially and get the players attention. He could also speak with credibility about what you need to do as an individual to achieve success. You then have to prove the tactical side over time and where great players might prove to not be great managers (re: Gullit). That is where we will need to judge, 2 years from now if he is still here and achieving results. What I do think is undeniable is he doesn't give false praise, the team is playing better, and at this point he has the respect of the players. I hope all these things continue.

Thoughtful, inteligente post.

Good work.

 

[TheCount]

This ^^^^ is what I'd cauction against: the declaration that everything is sorted out and on track and that Koemans style is on show and succeeding. It's not safe to assume those things.

Everything isn't sorted out. That defence still has the ability to Keystone Cops up a game...as it almost did last Saturday.

Koemans game is nowhere near on display here at Everton. It's presently an almalgation of what went before and what will come to be. Save your conclusions on "how Ronny likes to play" until next season, because this season tells you nothing in that respect.

So what you're saying is, you should never judge a manager on their first season?

It tells you nothing about how they actually like to play?

A manager's first season is 50% of the previous managers work?

 

[bluestevon]

Stats? It'd be great if you could provide the evidence like instead of following me around accusing me of ignoring it.

Ok Dave here's the stats , last season saint played the 7th fewest long balls in the league, 67 per game to be precise.

Everton played the 4th most per game with 73.

So please now explain how last season wasn't hoofball?

Also explain why you never criticised this style of football last season mate?

Can you also explain why your insistent that koeman is a long ball manager when the stats last season prove he preferred it on the deck more than saint Bobby Brown shoes did?

 

[a bell maul]

So what you're saying is, you should never judge a manager on their first season?

It tells you nothing about how they actually like to play?

A manager's first season is 50% of the previous managers work?

kudos...great post.

 

[davek]

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I think this is pretty fair - I backed Martinez right until about (February-ish) when it was clear the team had completely tuned him out. I didn't rush to judge then and wont now as we are only about 7 months into Koeman. We all were excited about RM Year 1 at this time. We know how that turned out. I would say though that even a good manager depending on the situation probably needs more than 18 months to know if he is going to be a consistent success with a club. Too many variables - a couple of key injuries depending on club depth can have a huge impact on results and tactics. Not everyone takes those into account because off biases with the hiring in the first place or the emotion of your team losing.

You're not a fan of RK, a perfectly reasonable opinion as those that weren't fans of RM. As far as RK goes I thought he was a safe choice and would bring some credibility as a coach to players, as he was an incredible player and even over the long haul won titles and trophys - even if not as prestigious as the PL or FA cup on more than one occasion. That will get you credibility initially and get the players attention. He could also speak with credibility about what you need to do as an individual to achieve success. You then have to prove the tactical side over time and where great players might prove to not be great managers (re: Gullit). That is where we will need to judge, 2 years from now if he is still here and achieving results. What I do think is undeniable is he doesn't give false praise, the team is playing better, and at this point he has the respect of the players. I hope all these things continue.

Koeman hasn't faced any obstacles yet. He hasn't had to as you get the first season as a free pass unless it's a disaster. The first season for me is important in determining what sort of style and system the new man brings. On that score it has until very recently been concerning. To say that it looked like a car crash is to underplay it.

As said, I'm still not sure how it'll turn out. He's started off very direct and that's the way three of his four major signings look like it will be permanently heading. Presently we play with a lot more control and it's paying off. But I'm unsure it'll be the way he wants to set up next season.

 

[davek]

So what you're saying is, you should never judge a manager on their first season?

It tells you nothing about how they actually like to play?

A manager's first season is 50% of the previous managers work?

Why would you conclude that from what I stated? Did I suggest it was a general rule?

 

[davek]

Ok Dave here's the stats , last season saint played the 7th fewest long balls in the league, 67 per game to be precise.

Everton played the 4th most per game with 73.

So please now explain how last season wasn't hoofball?

Also explain why you never criticised this style of football last season mate?

Can you also explain why your insistent that koeman is a long ball manager when the stats last season prove he preferred it on the deck more than saint Bobby Brown shoes did?

Where are you getting these stats from? It's usual protocol to supply the source like.

 

[Goat]

Koeman hasn't faced any obstacles yet. He hasn't had to as you get the first season as a free pass unless it's a disaster. The first season for me is important in determining what sort of style and system the new man brings. On that score it has until very recently been concerning. To say that it looked like a car crash is to underplay it.

As said, I'm still not sure how it'll turn out. He's started off very direct and that's the way three of his four major signings look like it will be permanently heading. Presently we play with a lot more control and it's paying off. But I'm unsure it'll be the way he wants to set up next season.

LOL

I told you David, Hulk smash, none of this Zombie taka that other managers in the league play, like the boy Pep.

 

[bluestevon]

Koeman hasn't faced any obstacles yet. He hasn't had to as you get the first season as a free pass unless it's a disaster. The first season for me is important in determining what sort of style and system the new man brings. On that score it has until very recently been concerning. To say that it looked like a car crash is to underplay it.

As said, I'm still not sure how it'll turn out. He's started off very direct and that's the way three of his four major signings look like it will be permanently heading. Presently we play with a lot more control and it's paying off. But I'm unsure it'll be the way he wants to set up next season.

Yet as I showed last season saints played far less long balls under koeman than Everton did under Martinez, how do you explain that dear David?

 

[bluestevon]

Where are you getting these stats from? It's usual protocol to supply the source like.

Whoscored.com mate