DanEFC92
Player Valuation: £90m
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No, jokers are to the right.
...very, very well done Daniel-San
Timhowardsswearbox
Player Valuation: £5m
I don't often agree with Dave, but this is spot on really. Let's be honest, in OFM's first season he had a great balance of Moyes' well-drilled defence and RM's attacking style. It just worked and when we got was an exciting season with some football that was brilliant to watch. It was only the second season when RM firmly put his stamp on the team and it really became "his" team did we start to see the woeful shortcomings he had as a manager and a coach.
Same rules have to be applied to Koeman. I'm over the moon with results and what he seems to be doing with this team, but next season will be the true indicator as to whether we really have something to get excited about here.
ianefc
Player Valuation: £70m
Unfortunately, that's not quite correct, because at that point we'd be at least partially agreeing with each other and that wouldn't make for a great battle.
ianefc
Player Valuation: £70m
You would also need to acknowledge that Koeman had a much worse starting point that Martinez did coupled with Koemans year on year progress at Southampton. Everything before and after 13/14 that Martinez did in the PL was hopeless. That can't be said of Koeman.
I say it'd be fairer to let him fail or at least appear to be failing before he's jumped all over.
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Timhowardsswearbox
Player Valuation: £5m
Completely agree. This team was a shambles last season and it was a real chore going to games knowing what was coming week after week. What he has done so far has been very good, and I don't honestly think it will be a flash in the pan, but the reality is we won't know until it happens one way or another.
What I will say though, is that he should be getting full support for what he is doing now and that should only be withdrawn if it becomes clear he isn't up to the job.
I love the implication though that Koeman is currently benefitting from the golden Legacy left to him by soft arse and that that comfort blanket won't be around next season
ianefc
Player Valuation: £70m
TheCount
Player Valuation: £10m
On the contrary. I think the implication is that the struggles we had at the start of the season are due last seasons coaching team.
Lack of fitness.
Lack of professionalism.
Defensive fragility (set pieces and crosses).
Low morale and mental weakness.
Bloated squad.
Now these issues have be (somewhat) remedied, we are seeing an upturn in the teams fortunes.
summerisle
The rain, it raineth every day
http://www.footballfancast.com/tran...odils-collapsed-everton-deal-blame-the-agents
The truth behind the collapse of Everton January transfer, Christmas Day talks, it’s not pretty
One of the more confusing sagas of the transfer window, Ishak Belfodil’s failed transfer to Everton remained a bit of a mystery, with conflicting reports floating around about who was at fault.
Some claimed Ronald Koeman had decided he didn’t want the player anymore, while others were adamant the deal’s collapse was down to agents meddling where they shouldn’t.
The truth? A bit of both, but mostly the agent thing.
Sport/Foot in Belgium decided to investigate, and got in touch with everyone involved in the deal in order to shed some light.
Starting with Ishak Belfodil’s actual agent Mohamed Al Faiech, the main culprit is one of Belgium’s biggest intermediaries: Christophe Henrotay.
He explained: “Everything he says is false. I’ll tell you what happened. My contacts with Steve Walsh, Everton’s director of football, go back to mid-November. We met in London on the 2nd of January, in the offices of Everton’s owner, Farhad Moshiri, accompanied by Steve Walsh and Bill Kenwright.
“If we’d wanted to, we could have signed everything then, it was all ready. Everton had even reserved the hotel, they didn’t want us to return to Belgium, but Ishak didn’t want to cause a fuss with Standard.”
However, according Al Faiech, Henrotay was then informed of this meeting around an hour after it took place.
Trying to get both sides of the arguments, Sport/Foot then went to talk with Henrotay himself to see what he had to say.
The Belgian magazine claim Henrotay showed them emails and WhatsApp conversations he had with Standard’s chairman, Everton’s Bill Kenwright and a Swiss lawyer known by all parties called Ralph Isenegger.
Henrotay claims that on Christmas Day, Isenegger was pushing to get Ishak Belfodil’s transfer done, as this was the right time.
Contacting Bill Kenwright, the intermediary receives news from the Everton chairman that the club would be prepared to offer €8m + €2m, which Standard refused, hoping for more.
Fast forward to the 12th of January, when a meeting takes place with everyone involved, except Al Faiesh, who refuses to be at the same table as Christophe Henrotay.
This is the moment when Everton make the €10m + €2m offer for Belfodil, which Standard were ready to accept, with Sport/Foot being shown Kenwright’s email as proof.
However, a tiny bit later, Henrotay receives an message from the Everton chairman stating Ronald Koeman doesn’t want Belfodil anymore because he’s heard bad things about the player’s personality.
At this point, the only way to change the Dutch manager’s mind would be to set up a meeting between the Standard striker and the manager, but Bruno Venanzi, Standard’s chairman, refuses.
The reason? “Imagine he breaks a foot coming off the plane?”
The next day, Henrotay tries to convince Farhad Moshiri to change Koeman’s mind, something the Everton owner refuses to do, with the deal ending there and then.
As Belfodil’s agent Mohamed Al Faiech tells Sport/Foot: “No one at Standard had asked for [Henrotay]. He tried to do his thing, with his contacts.”
The truth behind the collapse of Everton January transfer, Christmas Day talks, it’s not pretty
One of the more confusing sagas of the transfer window, Ishak Belfodil’s failed transfer to Everton remained a bit of a mystery, with conflicting reports floating around about who was at fault.
Some claimed Ronald Koeman had decided he didn’t want the player anymore, while others were adamant the deal’s collapse was down to agents meddling where they shouldn’t.
The truth? A bit of both, but mostly the agent thing.
Sport/Foot in Belgium decided to investigate, and got in touch with everyone involved in the deal in order to shed some light.
Starting with Ishak Belfodil’s actual agent Mohamed Al Faiech, the main culprit is one of Belgium’s biggest intermediaries: Christophe Henrotay.
He explained: “Everything he says is false. I’ll tell you what happened. My contacts with Steve Walsh, Everton’s director of football, go back to mid-November. We met in London on the 2nd of January, in the offices of Everton’s owner, Farhad Moshiri, accompanied by Steve Walsh and Bill Kenwright.
“If we’d wanted to, we could have signed everything then, it was all ready. Everton had even reserved the hotel, they didn’t want us to return to Belgium, but Ishak didn’t want to cause a fuss with Standard.”
However, according Al Faiech, Henrotay was then informed of this meeting around an hour after it took place.
Trying to get both sides of the arguments, Sport/Foot then went to talk with Henrotay himself to see what he had to say.
The Belgian magazine claim Henrotay showed them emails and WhatsApp conversations he had with Standard’s chairman, Everton’s Bill Kenwright and a Swiss lawyer known by all parties called Ralph Isenegger.
Henrotay claims that on Christmas Day, Isenegger was pushing to get Ishak Belfodil’s transfer done, as this was the right time.
Contacting Bill Kenwright, the intermediary receives news from the Everton chairman that the club would be prepared to offer €8m + €2m, which Standard refused, hoping for more.
Fast forward to the 12th of January, when a meeting takes place with everyone involved, except Al Faiesh, who refuses to be at the same table as Christophe Henrotay.
This is the moment when Everton make the €10m + €2m offer for Belfodil, which Standard were ready to accept, with Sport/Foot being shown Kenwright’s email as proof.
However, a tiny bit later, Henrotay receives an message from the Everton chairman stating Ronald Koeman doesn’t want Belfodil anymore because he’s heard bad things about the player’s personality.
At this point, the only way to change the Dutch manager’s mind would be to set up a meeting between the Standard striker and the manager, but Bruno Venanzi, Standard’s chairman, refuses.
The reason? “Imagine he breaks a foot coming off the plane?”
The next day, Henrotay tries to convince Farhad Moshiri to change Koeman’s mind, something the Everton owner refuses to do, with the deal ending there and then.
As Belfodil’s agent Mohamed Al Faiech tells Sport/Foot: “No one at Standard had asked for [Henrotay]. He tried to do his thing, with his contacts.”
I'd be surprised if Dave was implying that
bluestevon
Player Valuation: £80m
Best part of that is it shows the manager has the final say and overruled kenwright. Also that moshiri refused to try to influence koeman and let those whose job it is do there jobs.
JLW
Player Valuation: £60m
Spot on mate.
bcblue1878
Player Valuation: £50m
His internet connection obviously keeps buffering, couldn't tell the hoops from Derby's white shirts!
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