Ronald Koeman discussion

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Unfortunately, that's not quite correct, because at that point we'd be at least partially agreeing with each other and that wouldn't make for a great battle.

make it so

 

[Timhowardsswearbox]

I love the implication though that Koeman is currently benefitting from the golden Legacy left to him by soft arse and that that comfort blanket won't be around next season

lol No implication of that nature at all. Just that at the moment the players he has are still only partially the ones he has selected himself. Next season when he has a proper "Koeman" team we will see if he really can push the team on to the next level. My honest belief is that he will really progress this team in the next couple of years, but there are a lot of things that can happen either way that may have an effect on that.

 

[Kev50]

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lol No implication of that nature at all. Just that at the moment the players he has are still only partially the ones he has selected himself. Next season when he has a proper "Koeman" team we will see if he really can push the team on to the next level. My honest belief is that he will really progress this team in the next couple of years, but there are a lot of things that can happen either way that may have an effect on that.

sorry I've not been very clear. I meant the post from Dave that you replied to had that implication

 

[Timhowardsswearbox]

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sorry I've not been very clear. I meant the post from Dave that you replied to had that implication

I think I realised that after I'd read the rest of the thread

 

[Famous_Seamus]

That's fair. Maybe we should discuss it when it happens though? If you can't enjoy good form, then what's the point?

mate its no use we could win the CL today and tomorrow these will be crying about how poor a style we played to win it.

 

[ianefc]

mate its no use we could win the CL today and tomorrow these will be crying about how poor a style we played to win it.

Yet last year, as a second consecutive bottom half finish was becoming a possibility (for the first time since the Walter Smith days) it was acceptable

 

[duncs pigeon]

This ^^^^ is what I'd cauction against: the declaration that everything is sorted out and on track and that Koemans style is on show and succeeding. It's not safe to assume those things.

Everything isn't sorted out. That defence still has the ability to Keystone Cops up a game...as it almost did last Saturday.

Koemans game is nowhere near on display here at Everton. It's presently an almalgation of what went before and what will come to be. Save your conclusions on "how Ronny likes to play" until next season, because this season tells you nothing in that respect.

So Matinezes first season didnt count then? Judge him on his next two seasons - we all know how bad that turned out.

 

[Ollie d]

What a shirt and what a team, Van Basten's volley in the final, pure technique.

 

[davek]

But you would rather take in isolation his initial period at us, with quite a lot of players he didnt rate - with a woefully unfit team unable to press the way he wanted and with confidence shot on half the squad when he took over - and thats your barometre to judge how he wants to play?

Whoa whoa, here's what you stated yesterday:

But the stat which shows that Everton last year played considerably more long balls compared to this one isn't a stat you could dispute is it Dave?

So how do you reconcile that with your criticism about koeman being a long ball merchant, when in black and white its shown last season we did it far more?

I responded to that assertion by producing the stats from the Premier League that shows that actually has us this season playing more long balls.

So what is your problem now, that I didn't respond to what you meant to post rather than did post?

All told: you're having a laugh by trying to defend what went on here this season until very recently. The ball was coming down with snow in it until Bolasie's injury and Davies' emergence forced a different way of playing on Koeman and we started playing the ball on the deck and constructing moves again.

Let's see how long that lasts - hopefully for the rest of the period he's here as manager.

 

[MikeH72]

@bluestevon you see what I was getting at with the "wasted effort" comment?

 

[Eggs]

...watching Erwin Koeman live on the Everton Show now. Clear he's not in the job because he's the Managers brother, seems a real football man. Interesting viewing.

 

[Brownie]

We are in a dangerous position for me personally at this moment in time. By that I mean, should we win comfortably tomorrow, I might just start to think we're becoming a good side.

 

[bluestevon]

@bluestevon you see what I was getting at with the "wasted effort" comment?

Aye mate, he moves the goalposts more often a groundsman.

 

[bluestevon]

Whoa whoa, here's what you stated yesterday:



I responded to that assertion by producing the stats from the Premier League that shows that actually has us this season playing more long balls.

So what is your problem now, that I didn't respond to what you meant to post rather than did post?

All told: you're having a laugh by trying to defend what went on here this season until very recently. The ball was coming down with snow in it until Bolasie's injury and Davies' emergence forced a different way of playing on Koeman and we started playing the ball on the deck and constructing moves again.

Let's see how long that lasts - hopefully for the rest of the period he's here as manager.

Ok Dave, simple enough question and will phrase it properly, was koeman a long ball manager last season?

 

[davek]

Ok Dave, simple enough question and will phrase it properly, was koeman a long ball manager last season?

Have I ever said he was? No. Have I said he has been this season? Yes...and the stats back me up.

End of story really. I really can't fathom what you're trying to prove here...that Martinez was a "long ball" manager?

Dear me. I doubt you'd get any apostles for that creed.