Ronald Koeman discussion

[hktoffee]

we have won 11 league games so far this season...last season we won 11 all season and the season before we won 12. How can a manager go from winning 21 in his first season to 12 then 11. Its pretty dire to be honest and the right choice to sack him was made. Koeman has learned a hell of a lot about the players here and tested and tried different formations and style and had a roller coaster ride but has changed things to suit rather than sticking to one way and crossing his fingers.

It's just lie as someone made out RM had improved a lot on Moyes's team. In 2012, Moyes got Everton 6th 63 points. Martinez improved it by 1 league position and 9 points and we witnessed his true colour in the next 2 seasons. Koeman had a massive rebuilding job last summer due to what had happened in the last two campaigns.

 

[MikeH72]

It's actually not mate. I find it depressing that this man in the dugout we have right now confirms with almost every public pronouncement my fears about his attitude. He's very thin skinned if he took anything of what Martinez had to say out of context and then go on some pathetic attack against a former Everton manager. It underlines his insecurities as a manager and adds nothing whatsoever to his standing. But it's not just with Martinez as we know. His attitude towards certain players and certain situations that have happened outside the club underline a worrying disrespect and petulance that is in no way becoming of an Everton manager. That sort of gobiness might be ok at other clubs like Newcastle, Liverpool. Chelsea or wherever, but it's not something I want associated with this club.

The last few weeks have been positive for us on the field, so what this new outburst does is deflect from that and potentially much more: it sets him and us up for a fall. Hubris is usually met with a swift kick in the balls at some point. We all know that in this game what goes around comes around.

Well unlucky Dave because no one else is arsed x

 

[banno]

It's actually not mate. I find it depressing that this man in the dugout we have right now confirms with almost every public pronouncement my fears about his attitude. He's very thin skinned if he took anything of what Martinez had to say out of context and then go on some pathetic attack against a former Everton manager. It underlines his insecurities as a manager and adds nothing whatsoever to his standing. But it's not just with Martinez as we know. His attitude towards certain players and certain situations that have happened outside the club underline a worrying disrespect and petulance that is in no way becoming of an Everton manager. That sort of gobiness might be ok at other clubs like Newcastle, Liverpool. Chelsea or wherever, but it's not something I want associated with this club.

The last few weeks have been positive for us on the field, so what this new outburst does is deflect from that and potentially much more: it sets him and us up for a fall. Hubris is usually met with a swift kick in the balls at some point. We all know that in this game what goes around comes around.

Everything you said about Koeman is what I like about him. I translate it as not taking BS and he is the boss. He is ruthless and it is what we have needed for years. No pampering to anyone be it media, players or ex-managers. He has as we all have a right to reply. It seems you are being a little thin skinned with regards to Koeman but ever so thick skinned with regards to Martinez IMO.

 

[ianefc]

we have won 11 league games so far this season...last season we won 11 all season and the season before we won 12. How can a manager go from winning 21 in his first season to 12 then 11. Its pretty dire to be honest and the right choice to sack him was made. Koeman has learned a hell of a lot about the players here and tested and tried different formations and style and had a roller coaster ride but has changed things to suit rather than sticking to one way and crossing his fingers.

I don't mean to be pedantic but it was 11 wins in 14/15 and 10 wins in 15/16 which was topped up to 11 by Unsworth. In total it was 21 league wins from 75 league games over the course of those two seasons. The fact Koeman has equalled 14/15 and bettered 15/16 already shows sign of clear improvement.

 

[Librarian]

It may have been only one season but we were playing our best football in decades under Martines. You can't take that away from him.

It appears to me that at some stage, and we don't know exactly why, but the senior players and maybe some of the staff weren't having him anymore. The enthusiasm died off and the passing football became slow and predictable.

I suspect he was too soft with them and then when hard decisions had to be made he didn't command enough authority.

We'll have to wait and see if Koeman's being more practical and a lot more authoritarian to stop the rot and get things under control, we won't know until next season plays out.

 

[davek]

Everything you said about Koeman is what I like about him. I translate it as not taking BS and he is the boss. He is ruthless and it is what we have needed for years. No pampering to anyone be it media, players or ex-managers. He has as we all have a right to reply. It seems you are being a little thin skinned with regards to Koeman but ever so thick skinned with regards to Martinez IMO.

I'm a traditionalist mate. I expect stature from our hierarchy and I expect football of the highest standards.

NSNO.

 

[DrEFC]

It's actually not mate. I find it depressing that this man in the dugout we have right now confirms with almost every public pronouncement my fears about his attitude. He's very thin skinned if he took anything of what Martinez had to say out of context and then go on some pathetic attack against a former Everton manager. It underlines his insecurities as a manager and adds nothing whatsoever to his standing. But it's not just with Martinez as we know. His attitude towards certain players and certain situations that have happened outside the club underline a worrying disrespect and petulance that is in no way becoming of an Everton manager. That sort of gobiness might be ok at other clubs like Newcastle, Liverpool. Chelsea or wherever, but it's not something I want associated with this club.

The last few weeks have been positive for us on the field, so what this new outburst does is deflect from that and potentially much more: it sets him and us up for a fall. Hubris is usually met with a swift kick in the balls at some point. We all know that in this game what goes around comes around.

I dare you to find out who agrees with you on this. Koeman has made going the match enjoyable again, like the transition from Smith to Moyes (the first 7ish years).
For hubris, see: big fecking Solo le mejor poster and 2 years of impotent football.

 

[BiggyRat]

I just don't understand how anyone could concede any credibility to a man criticising our 'defensive frailties' when he doesn't believe in clean sheets!

 

[ianefc]

It may have been only one season but we were playing our best football in decades under Martines. You can't take that away from him.

It appears to me that at some stage, and we don't know exactly why, but the senior players and maybe some of the staff weren't having him anymore. The enthusiasm died off and the passing football became slow and predictable.

I suspect he was too soft with them and then when hard decisions had to be made he didn't command enough authority.

We'll have to wait and see if Koeman's being more practical and a lot more authoritarian to stop the rot and get things under control, we won't know until next season plays out.

I think that's a long winded way of saying they real and he was an atrocious manager and realised that they only get one career and playing under him for too long was going to be detrimental.

 

[MikeH72]

I'm a traditionalist mate. I expect stature from our hierarchy and I expect football of the highest standards.

NSNO.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA YEERRRRRSSSS

 

[Jebus_lives]

I'm a traditionalist mate. I expect stature from our hierarchy and I expect football of the highest standards.

NSNO.

You must be pretty happy then.

 

[hktoffee]

I'm a traditionalist mate. I expect stature from our hierarchy and I expect football of the highest standards.

NSNO.

This contradicts the reality because the past manager, the one you are banging on everyday had set low standards that's why we can't defend and got 21 wins out of 75. Luckily, Koeman is putting things right now.

 

[thebluenosebolt]

Didn't Martinez get questioned repeatedly about falling out with Jags and Baines?

Wasnt it him who said Leighton had appologised for his words being"miss quoted".. All Leighton had actually said was that the team lacked chemistry. Why would Leighton need to appologise if he was actually miss quoted in the first place.
Fruit loop !!!

 

[Connor]

I dare you to find out who agrees with you on this. Koeman has made going the match enjoyable again, like the transition from Smith to Moyes (the first 7ish years).
For hubris, see: big fecking Solo le mejor poster and 2 years of impotent football.

Absolutely no one.

The last fella tried to con us all by saying really nice things about the club, our history and buying into our plucky mentality.

Koeman doesn't 'get' us and that's absolutely fine. Because he's a winner and we haven't been that for a long time. We don't want him to buy in, we want him to overhaul and fix us.

Winning football games > a philosophy and being dead nice to everyone.

 

[Librarian]

I think that's a long winded way of saying they real and he was an atrocious manager and realised that they only get one career and playing under him for too long was going to be detrimental.

I think the players need to take some of the flack too, they basically downed tools.