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Ronald Koeman discussion

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davek said:
That statement takes nothing away from the fact Martinez did make him (who was taking about Lukaku as a top player before he picked him up from Chelsea?) and he still is his mentor at Belgium (I think you'll find he is under his supervision there).
It's easier to combat someone else's point of view if you have facts rather than bile I always think.
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banno said:
I will disagree with 'Martinez made him'. He was already making a name for himself as such Chelsea paid around 20m for him. He needed game time so was shipped on loan to WBA and everyones ears pricked up at the amount of goals he was scoring in an average WBA team. Most of his appearances was as a sub also. He comes to goodison on loan as a fresh kid and scored aplenty. The next 2 seasons he dipped with consistency but still had all the attributes on show when up for it. Koeman comes in and takes him even further by adding the consistency and demanding more from him. Martinez did not make him but credit to him that he saw a goalscorer and got him here and since Martinezs departure he has stepped up another level because Koeman recognised his finishing ability so has made him the prime target for other players to seek and find. When Lukaku goes then Koeman will once again adapt to the strengths of the attacker he brings in and if not in the same mould as Lukaku will tweak the secondary striker and midfielders accordingly. We are not a one man team and I don't believe any team is. Its just playing to the strengths of what you have.
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He's reaping the rewards of seasons long experience in the PL this season. You're seeing just that. It's not like he;s gone from 11/12/13 goals per season before this season. He always had that ability to get volume. This season we have seen an even greater reliance of our attack on Lukaku. so of course we can expect more goals from him. But it's come at a cost in terms of seeing our other attacking players put in below par numbers for goals scored.

Koeman is merely giving the plate another spin.
 
nsno-chris said:
lollollol

Go find me a post when I was slating that utter fraud in his first season. Put the knives away Dave it's embarrassing, embraces Ronald.

But ok, he's giving us total futbol now
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You did it before he started and carried it on from there.

Your nose must be Pinocchio length mate.
 
davek said:
You dont know that. How can you say what Henry does at Belgian is any greater input than what he received here with Martinez and his coaches or Martinez and other coaches at Belgium. It's just pure speculation.
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You have no idea if his tutelage under Martinez was anything remarkable or continues to be...yet your are calling someone else out for speculation.
 

JEBUS_LIVES said:
You have no idea if his tutelage under Martinez was anything remarkable or continues to be...yet your are calling someone else out for speculation.
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I know he brought him here and we got record numbers of goals out of him.

That in and of itself was the biggest transfer success in the last 30 years at this club.

He'll leave having scored 70 goals and for a 250% profit on the £27M wisely invested in him.

Hats off to that.

Somehow I doubt we'll have that return off another player we paid £27M for.
 
DualityNSNO said:
FWIW, Lukaku was quite well known and touted as one for the future well before he played for us, or WBA, or before Chelsea for that matter.
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he was a massive talent that was well known to anyone that payed anything like the smallest amount of interest in European football...its the reason that Chelsea signed him and a host of other massive clubs around the world were interest in him, including Moyes at Everton. The argument that only Martinez was able to spot and devlop this diamond in the rough is just insane.
 
davek said:
It is what it is. If a player he inherited wasn't here we'd be sunk, because he's shown no aptitude whilst here to attack without recourse to an over-reliance on Lukaku.

Season two (if he's not at Barcelona of course!) will be very interesting with a Lukaku-less Everton.
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Brown shoes had the same resource at his disposal for 3 years, and yet last season could only manage a disgusting 4 home wins.

Koeman has delivered 10 already and turned Goodison back into a fortress, as opposed to a nice day out for whoever rocked up and rolled us over.

That's down to more than one player, it's down to good management and tactical nous.

Had Lukaku not had a great season you'd have been calling Koeman for not getting the best out of him, because he's the leading PL goalscorer we're now a one man team. It's nothing more than your boring agenda Dave.
 

davek said:
I know he brought him here and we got record numbers of goals out of him.

That in and of itself was the biggest transfer success in the last 30 years at this club.

He'll leave having scored 70 goals and for a 250% profit on the £27M wisely invested in him.

Hats off to that.

Somehow I doubt we'll have that return off another player we paid £27M for.
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So a self proclaimed Evertonian does not know how much Lukaku cost? It was £28m officially in 2014, a record fee.
 
hktoffee said:
So an alleged Evertonian does not know how much Lukaku cost? It was £28m officially in 2014, a record fee.
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The Bayeux Tapestry wouldn't be long enough to list the amount of errors you've managed you utter bozo

You even admit a mistake in the Snivelley thread this morning
 

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