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Ronald Koeman discussion

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Personally think the improvement has been massive and were only on the up, he's done well to plug the holes that Martinez had left and were on the up, he's a good manager clearly and he knows what he's doing.

The summer recruitment is key, were clearly the best of the rest outside of the top 6, but we want to be the best of the best but that isn't going to be a matter of days It will take seasons.

Away form does need to improve but with better players it will, I'm excited for the summer and European footy
 
Its interesting to note that outside of that one horrid stretch of 8 games in Sep to Nov, Everton have played at a CL level. During that stretch we dropped games to Southampton, Burnley, Bournmouth, and draws to CP and Swansea. 6 points from 8. Outside of that we have been over 2 points per game, and would be on 67 points right now, in 3rd.
 
Its interesting to note that outside of that one horrid stretch of 8 games in Sep to Nov, Everton have played at a CL level. During that stretch we dropped games to Southampton, Burnley, Bournmouth, and draws to CP and Swansea. 6 points from 8. Outside of that we have been over 2 points per game, and would be on 67 points right now, in 3rd.

You can't really be selective though as most teams have a bad patch of form in a season. Usually the higher up the table you go the fewer bad patches you have and the shorter in length they are.

But I get your point. And it's why I'm excited for next season, as it was only natural we'd have poor periods given the mess Koeman inherited and the time it takes to instil new philosophies, practice formations and let new players settle.

If we can have a good summer then we need to be aiming for top 4. If not the league, because why not?
 

You can't really be selective though as most teams have a bad patch of form in a season. Usually the higher up the table you go the fewer bad patches you have and the shorter in length they are.

But I get your point. And it's why I'm excited for next season, as it was only natural we'd have poor periods given the mess Koeman inherited and the time it takes to instil new philosophies, practice formations and let new players settle.

If we can have a good summer then we need to be aiming for top 4. If not the league, because why not?
Oh sure, most teams have a bad patch. But usually those patches arent 8 games long. A 4 game patch would still leave us right now 5 points further up the table, and in striking distance.
 
Considering the state Martinez left us in i wouldn't play down the impact Koeman has made at all.Our defensive stats are right up there with the best in the league.Fortress Goodison is back and we could still finish as high as 5th.7th place will be the lowest we can finish and while Everton FC has no intrest in being best of the rest 7th place is still a reasonable position for this season considering the mess Koeman inherited.I think we have scored more goals at home this calendar year than Barcelona as well for all the talk of boring football!I really do think it's time for some of Ronald Koemans knockers on here to start eating that humble pie that's being shoved into their faces right now.Because i was convinced when he was appointed manager that Ronald Koeman will bring this club back to a position befitting our status as a true giant of the english game and i am even more convinced of that right here right now.

bit early to be blathering about eating humble pie. good first season. plenty of positives and a few negatives. lets see whats to come.

im the meantime I think there is room for criticism as well as praise for what we have seen so far.

Martinez' first season was, in the moment, pretty damn exciting but it all came to nothing and quickly went downhill.

Koeman, I am certain, wont be in charge of any major setbacks like that but the highest praise and talk of critics eating humble pie should be reserved for a manager that really brings us to a new level.
 
Considering the state Martinez left us in i wouldn't play down the impact Koeman has made at all.Our defensive stats are right up there with the best in the league.Fortress Goodison is back and we could still finish as high as 5th.7th place will be the lowest we can finish and while Everton FC has no intrest in being best of the rest 7th place is still a reasonable position for this season considering the mess Koeman inherited.I think we have scored more goals at home this calendar year than Barcelona as well for all the talk of boring football!I really do think it's time for some of Ronald Koemans knockers on here to start eating that humble pie that's being shoved into their faces right now.Because i was convinced when he was appointed manager that Ronald Koeman will bring this club back to a position befitting our status as a true giant of the english game and i am even more convinced of that right here right now.
I,m of the opinion that the above mentioned will indeed be eating humble pie so best eat it now as it will be stale this time next season when we are sat in the top four
 


He doesn't minch hish words, does Ronny.

He was right about Southampton. Everyone thinks their academy is the best because of a few high profile products but their current young crop is nothing compared to ours. We're walking the u23 league and funnily enough Koeman is playing young players every game.

All you can ask from a manager is that they give academy lads with talent a chance. If the talent isn't there then that's not their fault.
 
He doesn't minch hish words, does Ronny.

He was right about Southampton. Everyone thinks their academy is the best because of a few high profile products but their current young crop is nothing compared to ours. We're walking the u23 league and funnily enough Koeman is playing young players every game.

All you can ask from a manager is that they give academy lads with talent a chance. If the talent isn't there then that's not their fault.

Ward-Prowse and Stephens are the only 2 notable ones iirc. Haven't heard Josh Sim's name at all since he played against us.
 
Ronald Koeman has accused English coaches of being afraid to blood young players and claimed a lack of talent was the only reason he stuck with so few at Southampton.

The Everton manager has drawn heavily on the club’s academy products and young signings during his first season at Goodison Park, with Tom Davies, Mason Holgate, Dominic Calvert-Lewin, Ademola Lookman plus – more recently – Matthew Pennington, Jonjoe Kenny and Joe Williams all regular members of the first team squad.

Koeman’s faith in Everton’s young talent stands in stark contrast to his reputation at Southampton where, despite their own impressive record of youth development, academy products made only fleeting appearances during his two seasons in charge. The Dutchman’s explanation is both simple and brutal – they were not up to Premier League standard.

“In Southampton they can look at how many players made their debuts in the first team of Southampton when I was the manager – seven, eight, nine?” he said. “But why they don’t play for the first team more regularly? Because they weren’t good enough. Now this season they played in Europe when the manager was using a lot of players to have rotation. Now they don’t play in Europe they don’t play every weekend. Tell me which young player is now in the first team? Nobody. That is criticism but, OK, no problem.

“I know myself that I am a manager who really gives young players a chance when they deserve it. I am not doubting whether to give a young player a chance instead of an older player. But that was the same in Holland, Spain and Southampton and now also in Everton. I don’t need credit for that from Southampton fans now I am at Everton.”

Koeman raised a mass of eyebrows after Everton’s 3-1 defeat by Liverpool in the derby by insisting he was proud of the team’s performance. But that was based on how a young team – featuring Holgate, Pennington, Davies and Calvert-Lewin in the starting lineup – adapted amid several injury problems. The former Ajax and Feyenoord coach is unconvinced an English manager would offer the same opportunities.

He said: “I see differences in how I like to work with young players and how I like to give young players a chance maybe more than English managers. I know English football people say you have to look out for young players, that maybe they can play 15 or 20 games but not more. They are afraid. I am not afraid to put young players in. I am not afraid but maybe they are.

“It is all about the talents of the young players. If they have the talent you have to give an opportunity. If they don’t have the talent then, OK, you have to look elsewhere. If I have a second centre-back and he is 20 and I think he can do the job, then I don’t sign a centre-back as a third option. My young boy is my second option. That’s the way I like to work.”

The 18-year-old Davies has been the main beneficiary of Koeman’s faith in young talent this season and has been a regular fixture in the side’s midfield since the 3-0 win over Southampton on 2 January. “I did not expect him to play all the games when I first put him in the team because normally young players dip after performing,” the Everton manager added.

“It is really impressive how he is doing from the first game until now. Of course he needs to learn but he is really confident in the team and the team is really confident in him. He is showing great football and improving as a player in the midfield.

“He is a really down-to-earth boy and is working hard and getting a lot of advice from the rest of the players. The older players and technical staff advise him to work hard, to play simple, do your job and that’s really giving confidence to the player. He can make mistakes – no problem – but that’s the confidence young players need.”
For someone who has been criticised for not trying youth, he's blown that out of the water with help from Tom Davies.
 

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