How frequently does 7th qualify for Europe?
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How frequently does 7th qualify for Europe?
roydo
in memoriam - 1965-2024
Dunno. Has the season ended?
Anyrate, not that arsed about the EL, might be fun, but might not be. But if you cant see a significant improvement on the mess he picked up, cant help you.
CrustySack
Player Valuation: £0.99p
Koeman has turned the ship around 180 degrees this season. It was a requirement when he came in, to undo the mess of the previous two seasons and return us to a team qualifying for Europe. A cup final would have been seen as real progress, along with a derby win. Silverware would have been seen as a successful season. He still has a lot to do to justify his high praise. I have a lot of time for him. I believe he can do it. We will see just how good he is or isn't next season.
A quick look at the previous 6 seasons. Only in 15-16 and 14-15 did 7th get Europe. Well, and this season of course.
I am excited that we are back in Europe, but I think some are over-blowing it as some great achievement when in reality we are in because of the performances of others in the Cups. So yeah...it took a bit of luck to get in.
I recognize we've improved over last season in the league as well. There is no disputing that.
rochdaleblue
Player Valuation: £50m
How exactly have we 'lucked into Europe'. I was always led to believe that the league table doesn't lie. We deserve to be in Europe due to our performance over the season. Considering what koeman inherited, I do consider it an 'achievement'.
7th doesn't usually get Europe is my point. Luck was involved for it to happen.
We haven't won a cup since 1995. Where are you getting this "nine cup wins" malarkey from?
Kidding. Obviously you mean individual cup games.... which count for absolutely nothing unless you win the final itself. You could argue that not having to play those extra cup fixtures may well have been beneficial to our league campaign.
Koeman's target for this year was to qualify for Europe: either via a significantly improved showing in the league (i.e. 6th or 7th place) or via a cup win along with a less significantly improved showing in the league (i.e. 8th or 9th place). With the squad he inherited, there was no way he was going to compete for 5th place AND win a cup, but an improved league showing was an absolute must - you don't get long-term stability from winning the league cup every so often, let alone once.
Our consensus best starting midfield trio features two players who weren't even at the club last July and one who had his first ever senior start in the final game of the 2015/2016 season - much of this is down to Koeman.
Wigan won a cup a couple of seasons back.
Zatara
Player Valuation: £100m
Its because our centre backs are so slow they need to sit deep. 2 new centre backs and we can play a high line
Koeman still has a ways to go, but he's stopped the bleeding and is gradually putting his own stamp on the playing staff
Next season is going to be huge for both him and the club, and I hope he has us ready for opening day with his business done nice and early. This is Everton though, so you never know with that kind of thing
Next season is going to be huge for both him and the club, and I hope he has us ready for opening day with his business done nice and early. This is Everton though, so you never know with that kind of thing
You may have a point in some way, a competent Premier League calibre manager would have had us doing better than the past two seasons
That being said, we've had a really strong run since the turn of the year, which would have probably seen us higher than 7th in other seasons. The problem is the top 6 have kept pace, which means our good run didn't have as much of an impact on placings as you would have hoped
He's done a decent job IMO. Still more to do of course, but I'm happy enough thus far. He's got us looking up instead of down again
KaiserEFC
Player Valuation: £70m
All these people slagging him off, how about wait until he's had the funds and means to bring in his own team rather than work with mostly the mess he was left with last season. God knows what happened in the summer, but hopefully we'all actually be able to bring in some decent targets now and with that Koeman will improve us.
End of the day he was left with a team who are mostly crap, brought in whatever he could under circumstances we don't know, and got us Europe in an improved league from last season. Not a bad manager in my book.
End of the day he was left with a team who are mostly crap, brought in whatever he could under circumstances we don't know, and got us Europe in an improved league from last season. Not a bad manager in my book.
If it's happened 3 seasons in a row it's hardly luck is it. The stronger the top teams get, the more often a top 6 team will win the cups, therefore 7th being a European place will probably become the norm.
Foot Long Hot Dog
Player Valuation: A packet of pork scratchings
Koeman has had a very good first season imo.
When he took over the squad was lop sided, the team was mentally fragile, defensively all over the place, we'd got used to losing at home, and the players were obviously physically worse than all of our peers.
He's come in, solidified the leaky backline, got the side organised and capable of playing in a number of different formations, got them fit, made Goodison the tough gig for an away side that it should be again, and in doing so, made the match day experience a much more pleasurable event for all of us.
The only disappointment has been the cups, but a 7th place finish and EL football next year is a creditable return from his first season.
Big summer ahead for him and Walsh, as there needs to be plenty of activity, not least in replacing the goals from Lukaku's seemingly inevitable departure.
When he took over the squad was lop sided, the team was mentally fragile, defensively all over the place, we'd got used to losing at home, and the players were obviously physically worse than all of our peers.
He's come in, solidified the leaky backline, got the side organised and capable of playing in a number of different formations, got them fit, made Goodison the tough gig for an away side that it should be again, and in doing so, made the match day experience a much more pleasurable event for all of us.
The only disappointment has been the cups, but a 7th place finish and EL football next year is a creditable return from his first season.
Big summer ahead for him and Walsh, as there needs to be plenty of activity, not least in replacing the goals from Lukaku's seemingly inevitable departure.
Outside of a very small anti-Koeman movement to whom he can do right, I wouldn't say people are slagging him off, they are just not as effusive with praise as others for whatever reason. There's a difference between analysing the manager critically and having a go at him
During the Martinez era, even the smallest criticism towards the manager led to put downs and attacks, regardless of whether it was a reasonable critique or not. Ideally, I'd like us to be more sophisticated regards to the way we discuss Koeman and stray away from the mob mentality that we allowed to develop on here during the past couple of seasons
People should be able to feel safe about questioning Koeman if they believe it reasonable to do so. Again, there's a difference between having a go at Koeman over unreasonable things just to have a go, and legitimate criticism
I don't think they have, Mike.....outside of Chelsea and Spurs.
The RS had an absolutely disastrous January when they barely picked up a point....they have blown hot and cold ever since.
City have stuttered badly and United have bored the pants of everyone with a succession of draws and the odd scrappy win.
And Arsenal have fallen from grace quite spectacularly since we beat them.
Up until a couple weeks ago we really had closed the gap on those four teams quite considerably.
In fact, wins at Anfield and OT when we played that double header would have hoisted us into 4th spot.
That we are not in the thick of the CL hunt is due to two things IMO and which have nowt to do with the form of the four teams immediately above us.
Our strong run since Christmas was built on the back of a succession of good, sometimes spectacular, home wins......but we let ourselves down on the road.
The hugely dissapointing performances in gaining draws at Hammers, Stoke and Boro plus the craven performance at Spurs spring to mind.
But the real damage was done in the autumn when we had that three month spell when we could hardly buy a win.
If we had gone on even a "bad" run then instead of the disastrous run that it was, we would be at least six or seven points better off right now and would have really capitalised on the stuttering progress of the RS, the Mancs and the Arsenal implosion,
As it was, every time we had the chance to cement ourselves in 5th or 6th place, such as at Hammers last week, we blew it.
I agree with you that Koeman had done a "decent" job.
But no better than a decent job in my eyes.
Steadied the ship, has us looking up again instead of down, harder to beat, never looking in much danger of surrendering comfortable leads etc.
All those cliches are very applicable to EFC right now and very welcome.
On the down side, we have lost both derbies, we are still not taking a big away scalp, gone out of both cups at the first hurdle, at home, and been becalmed in a Saragosso Sea regarding league position after our competitive season effectively ended on the the first weekend of January.
We have moved four places up the table from last season and that is good but we are above no team we as Evertonians think we should be above so in reality we are no better than we ought to be.
We are in Europe and I am hugely excited about that as I came to love my Thursday night football and the night in town afterwards a few years ago but as @ilikecheese has pointed out, us qualifying for Europe, if we indeed finish 7th rarher than 6th, is largely an illusion of success as 7th Place rarely gets a team into the EL.
The stars aligned and the big guns won both cups to make 7th a European clincher.
In many ways it is the reverse image of the first Martinez season when the 72 points of @davek blessed memory would have got us CL football in most seasons.
Sorry if this post had turned into an end of season report so I suppose I should add another thought or two.
On the playing side, we have moved up the league a bit but by and large it is not a season which will live long in the memory.
Notable mainly for the emergence of Tom Davies and Lukaku, hopefully, winning the Golden Boot.
But off the field I feel we have made huge strides.
The Finch Farm naming rights was an unexpected shot in the arm, a spectacular coup we never even dreamed off.
And of course the Bramley Moore project is the best news we have had in my lifetime of following the Blues.
Despite the last few disappointing results and the tapering out of our late season revival, I am optimistic enough that with a super summer transfer window we will make a good fist at the higher end of the table next season.
The domestic cups are obviously in the lap of the Gods but I am hoping for a long run in the EL, certainly make it out of the group and win at least one knock out tie.
And I am expecting, rather than hoping, to hear of some wonderful sponsorship deals from the commercial department.
With both Kitbag and Chang kicked to the kerb
Sorry for boring you, Mike
Have a great summer, pal
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