Ronald Koeman discussion

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@bicycleheader

Help me out here.

All this speculation on here about Koeman getting the Camp Nou gig.

Would I be right in thinking the only reason this is being touted is that he previously played for Barcelona and that happen he had never played for them this conversation would not even be taking place?

Because I have seen nowt from him during his time in England to make me think "aye up, that fellow will manage Barcelona some day"

I mean, it ain't even like he is a young manager on his 40s or owt....he is a man of 54.

To put that in perspective.....Jose is about the same age and Pep is what, about 47 or so.

And they have been at the top of the managerial totem for yonkos.

And Pochetino is not much over 40.....and the "eccentric" attention seeker over the road is still in his late 40s.

What do the locals think?

Or does the man on the Park Guell omnibus ever even think about Koeman as manager?

For my part, I see nothing wrong with him "dreaming" about managing Barcelona and I appreciate he didn't bring the subject up and he was asked the question by a journo.

I just hope he doesn't believe his own publicity, like a previous manager we had did, and think he is better and bigger than Everton.

IMO Ronald Koeman, like David Moyes before him, should get on with the job in hand and work to build a successful Everton and stop always thinking about the "big move" friendly journalists keep bigging him up for.

The majority opinion on here when Moyes left was that EFC was his high water mark and alas for Sunderland that opinion has been spectacularly vindicated this past three years.

Ditto Koeman.....IMO this is as good as it gets for him because if he sees his contract out he will be in his late 50s and high end football management is increasingly a younger man's game.

Happen he will prove me wrong and walk into the Barca hot seat in the summer but that is how I feel anyway

Good post sir.

Agree we should all have a bit more belief in Everton and less doffing of caps to 'dream moves'... like the Belgium Manager's job. Christ I loathed Martinez.

Conversely I feel a bit bad about Moyes unravelling at Sunderland, poisonous chalice that - but then he hasn't helped himself each time he opens his trap. He was great for us though and vice versa. Rebuilt the squad, finances and expectation to compete - and Ronko's kind of in the same boat in that he's a good manager, certainly better supported financially but I think with a tougher job given Spurs, City and Liverpool are stronger top 6 bets now then in Moyes time. It won't be easy for him and if he does it then it's a massive achievement for him and us.

So if Ronko wants to enjoy a bit of external speculation on his abilities whilst getting Everton to the top 4 then great. Jumping ship early doesn't suit either party at the moment and his record and profile as you point out isn't that spectacular until he's got that work on his CV.

 

[smileychap]

I am waiting for the Klopp to Barca rumours.

haha - yeah he's a better shout than Ronko in terms of CL creds. It's not even like Enrique's record is even bad -it's pretty good.

 

[orly]

Yeah, if there is a sphere of life less principled and prone to short-term planning than even politics, football is probably it.

For some reason I can't get worked up about the prospect of Koeman leaving though. Our best player is a Martinez signing, but Ronko's also boosted the profile of great young players like Holgate, Davies, CL, Barkleys stats show he's growing into a great midfielder and Galloway is still out there. So we're undoubtedly getting a good run out of Koeman but all this talk of projects just sounds in itself short-term.

talk about the club, not your individual project Ronald. Happy to stick with him on results but gotta be honest and I would dearly love to see an ex Evertonian in the manager's seat. Bring on Big Dunc or Stubbs!

Stubbs?!?!?!

 

[truebluejersey]

I am not sure I am the one that is confused.
You quoted Conte as a manager that is happy in his job....who would have thought that ?
You mentioned Klopp..a manager that has spoken already about the day he leaves Liverpool.
You mentioned Wenger, is he in charge at Arenal next season ?, he refuses to confirm that.
Mourinho rarely stays at any club longer than 3 years and one of those is already gone at Utd.

Conte, ironically is separated from his family who continue to live in Italy and he has been asked by the media if he intends to return to Italy for family reasons.

Koeman is possibly guilty of being honest and direct when answering questions.
But, the job of most managers is short and ends in failure..just like politicians.

is that right, name me which one of them has openly stated they want to move to a bigger and better outfit one day

 

[Eggsyblueskin]

Yeah, if there is a sphere of life less principled and prone to short-term planning than even politics, football is probably it.

For some reason I can't get worked up about the prospect of Koeman leaving though. Our best player is a Martinez signing, but Ronko's also boosted the profile of great young players like Holgate, Davies, CL, Barkleys stats show he's growing into a great midfielder and Galloway is still out there. So we're undoubtedly getting a good run out of Koeman but all this talk of projects just sounds in itself short-term.

talk about the club, not your individual project Ronald. Happy to stick with him on results but gotta be honest and I would dearly love to see an ex Evertonian in the manager's seat. Bring on Big Dunc or Stubbs!

You would appoint a manager primarily based on whether they played/ or supported Everton rather than their experience or abilities? Why ?
Long term planning is the responsibility of the DoF , that is his main function. Managers should never be long term appointments, if they fail to meet targets dismiss them. Regardless of success they should be replaced at regular intervals to ensure the incoming manager retains the hunger to succeed and doesn't have to spend a season rebuilding a failed side.
Management of our football club should never be a sinecure, but a challenging role with strict targets that have to be met season to season.

 

[blueblue]

is that right, name me which one of them has openly stated they want to move to a bigger and better outfit one day

Bigger and better wasn't mentioned. You quoted the names of a number of manager that you suggested were absolutely happy where they currently are and I pointed out that at least some of those have discussed life after their current club(Klopp), have a history of short term tenure at clubs(Mourinho) , a manager whose family have not moved with him and he is apparently finding the separation difficult(Conte) and Wenger where Arsenal fans have no idea what he is doing.

Do you honestly believe that if Barca went after Klopp that he would say no thanks I am happy at Liverpool ?
Do you honestly see Conte staying in England long term ? , in my opinion he will be back in Italy within two or three years.

 

[truebluejersey]

Bigger and better wasn't mentioned. You quoted the names of a number of manager that you suggested were absolutely happy where they currently are and I pointed out that at least some of those have discussed life after their current club(Klopp), have a history of short term tenure at clubs(Mourinho) , a manager whose family have not moved with him and he is apparently finding the separation difficult(Conte) and Wenger where Arsenal fans have no idea what he is doing.

Do you honestly believe that if Barca went after Klopp that he would say no thanks I am happy at Liverpool ?
Do you honestly see Conte staying in England long term ? , in my opinion he will be back in Italy within two or three years.

I am going to offer an olive branch on this one as we are getting no where. All I am saying is that its going to take a monumental effort
for us to get in/try to compete with the top four. In my opinion the Everton manager needs to be absolutely focused on the task ahead 100% Everton like Alex Ferguson was at Manu, that attitude then trickles down to the players and throughout the club.


This 3 year project he mentions sounds as if he is about to embark on a house refurbishment not try to reinvigorate the club/the players/staff to bigger and better things.

I don't think that our manager should be mentioning managing other clubs no matter what the circumstance, but that is just my opinion, you are entitled to yours.

 

[Carlito]

Barca are a bit daft with there managerial appointments at times. Plus poch is ex espanyol player/coach I doubt the board will entertain that

Yeah, that's a good point. They haven't really gone after a top-end manager since van Gaal.

 

[blueblue]

I am going to offer an olive branch on this one as we are getting no where. All I am saying is that its going to take a monumental effort
for us to get in/try to compete with the top four. In my opinion the Everton manager needs to be absolutely focused on the task ahead 100% Everton like Alex Ferguson was at Manu, that attitude then trickles down to the players and throughout the club.


This 3 year project he mentions sounds as if he is about to embark on a house refurbishment not try to reinvigorate the club/the players/staff to bigger and better things.

I don't think that our manager should be mentioning managing other clubs no matter what the circumstance, but that is just my opinion, you are entitled to yours.

Fair enough.
I think there are probably about four super clubs in the world. Utd, Real Madrid, Barcelona and Bayern. I think that when a vacancy arises at one of these clubs that there is hardly a manager in the world that is not interested.
Only a tiny tiny handful will be mentioned and an even tinier number considered.
I think that any manager who says he doesn't have an ambition to manage one of these four is lying or lacks ambition.

Clubs like City and Chelsea are wannabees but do not carry the prestige of the top four.
Regarding Koeman, I think we have to accept that he answers questions in a direct way and this sometimes gets him in trouble, the comment about Lukaku earlier in the season being an example.

 

[summerisle]

Oh aye

 

[Cork Evertonian]

I like how he's putting pressure on the board to get the transfer business done nice and early in the summer.I think even Davek would have to give him credit for that.Koeman is not willing to allow himself be used as a PR man for the board to be fair to him.Unlike Moyes and Martinez.

 

[kenada_blue]

Oh aye

"But always the position of the manager is not most of the time it is not a long term position, because most of the time football changes. What happened to Wenger, Ferguson is an exception in football.


"And that's what I like in the function of Steve Walsh in the club, because yes, he is for the long term and sometimes he is looking for young players who are not first team players."

If he flogs Barkley and buggers off after next season, I ain't gonna be too pleased.

He's here short term.

 

[KaiserEFC]

Needs to drill it into these players that 50% of games are played away and they still need to show up to them.

 

[Darth Toffeeman]

Needs to drill it into these players that 50% of games are played away and they still need to show up to them.

The away form has been a disgrace this season. Totally unacceptable.

 

[streeky]

williams hasn't marked a man all day. helping his mates.